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Old 11-08-2019, 12:03   #6016
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Currently is the big word - if linear services do decline dramatically advertisers will be looking for new avenues and streaming will be the obvious opportunity. I suggest this means anyone who wants streaming without ads will then need to pay a large premium.
We are already paying a price for ad free services. If streamers start to include commercials, the most likely effect will be to reduce or eliminate existing subscription rates.
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A good proportion of those taking the trial will decide to continue to take the service.
Will they? If they are doing so for Premiership football itís eleven months till the next fixture. Iíd say itís speculative to say many will retain the service. Amazon Prime is already a popular product for those who want fast/free delivery anyway.

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It seems to me that Amazon is being very cautious with the Premiership football rights. They are clearly testing the waters with a view to taking a big decision in the future. If they do take the plunge and make a serious bid against Sky and BT next time around, football fans will not be able to take their free month trial and cancel. They will sign up at least for the full season, and they will have been drawn in.

It will be very interesting to see their pricing policy if that happens.
Of course theyíre cautious itís a huge sum of money and a huge risk without guaranteed profits at the other end.
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So many people on this site with business degrees, Are many of you CEO,s on multinationals be any chance ?
Actually young man l certainly don't have a business degree but l do have GCSE's in English , maths , geography and history.
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Old 11-08-2019, 12:07   #6019
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Some are doing that now as they tend to subscribe for certain series and events and then cancel.
That is true, but if Amazon acquired Premiership rights from Sky/BT, that little weeze would be well and truly scuppered as those slippery customers won't be able to watch matches for the remainder of the season.
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Of course not, he was making a comparison based on ease of use.
He can work the Internet itís not rocket science. Another way to experience life without adverts is to watch a BBC programme.

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I, too, still watch scheduled TV, but via recordings, and all three of my recorders are pretty full. But I know that will change over the next few years. The number of shows I am keen on seeing now has fallen and it continues to decline. I hardly recorded anything this week and it is becoming more difficult to find good programmes.

However, the day will come when everything is on the streamers and I will no longer need my recorders. That day cannot come soon enough for me.
You could just self select into streaming now?

Ah right Mrs Old Boy wonít let you.
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That is true, but if Amazon acquired Premiership rights from Sky/BT, that little weeze would be well and truly scuppered as those slippery customers won't be able to watch matches for the remainder of the season.
Ifs , buts and maybes but its been ifs , buts and maybes for many a year now...
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Will they? If they are doing so for Premiership football itís eleven months till the next fixture. Iíd say itís speculative to say many will retain the service. Amazon Prime is already a popular product for those who want fast/free delivery anyway.



Of course theyíre cautious itís a huge sum of money and a huge risk without guaranteed profits at the other end.
Oh, that one again. Look if Sky and BT can make money out of it, then so can Amazon. Your argument ignores this reality.
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That is true, but if Amazon acquired Premiership rights from Sky/BT, that little weeze would be well and truly scuppered as those slippery customers won't be able to watch matches for the remainder of the season.
True, but we come back to the 7 billion dollar question of how they make that work.
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You could just self select into streaming now?

Ah right Mrs Old Boy wonít let you.
Strange that he has such a great inertia to make the full switch to streaming as he has said it for many a year now.

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Oh, that one again. Look if Sky and BT can make money out of it, then so can Amazon. Your argument ignores this reality.
And your thought process ignores the realities of why Amazon such a big streaming company has not blown Sky and BT out of the water long before now.
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Oh, that one again. Look if Sky and BT can make money out of it, then so can Amazon. Your argument ignores this reality.
That the all mighty Amazon with billions at their disposal didnít make a single meaningful bid despite the value of the rights dropping last time round.

You seem to ignore the point of the rights auction. If Sky/BT can do it anyone can appears to be your attitude. There comes a point where someone thinks they can and everyone else thinks itís not worth the risk - the winning bid. The Sky/BT bids last time.

Thatís the cold, hard, reality Old Boy.
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What exactly is your beef with Netflix?
I subscribe to Netflix so don't really have any kind of a beef , that said I wouldn't be buying any shares in it anytime soon for the reasons stated.

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Old 11-08-2019, 12:54   #6027
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That the all mighty Amazon with billions at their disposal didnít make a single meaningful bid despite the value of the rights dropping last time round.

You seem to ignore the point of the rights auction. If Sky/BT can do it anyone can appears to be your attitude. There comes a point where someone thinks they can and everyone else thinks itís not worth the risk - the winning bid. The Sky/BT bids last time.

Thatís the cold, hard, reality Old Boy.
The cold, hard reality is that Amazon is testing the waters. They will want to know if they can introduce a streaming service that is as good or better than conventional broadcasting. They will want to see how many actually watch the matches they have acquired over the Christmas period. I do believe they are serious about this. Only this week, they have introduced a new series 'Back of the Net' that each week will look back at the last weekend's Premiership action, hosted by Peter Crouch. Also on Amazon is a six-part series 'Take Us Home, Leeds United' and another weekly series called 'Inside Borussia Dortmund' which goes behind the scenes of the top German football club during Bundesliga's 2018-19 season. Why the sudden interest in football documentaries, I wonder? Answers on a postcard please....

As for your 'anyone can do it' jibe, it is pretty obvious that any company wanting to bid for the Premiership rights needs big trouser pockets. Amazon's are way bigger the Sky's and BT's, so I really don't understand this mental block of yours which compels you to continue denying that this could happen. It could, and I think that is obvious to most people. There is no barrier to prevent it, apart from your own dark imagination.

Let's agree to disagree. I can't bear to keep going over these same old arguments. I am never going to convince you, and you are certainly not going to convince me. Only a few short years before we see the truth of the matter.
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So he should stop watching all the programs he enjoys now, subscribe to a further service he doesn’t at present want, all to avoid the minor inconvenience of hitting fast forward and play three times an hour.

I’m not sure what planet the streaming fundamentalists are on. I say this as a subscriber to three streaming services! (I’d forgot about one).
You really like to put words into other people mouths don't you!

I have never said anything of the sort it was just suggested he could try a free trial seeing has he has never tried a streaming service before, that was it.
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The cold, hard reality is that Amazon is testing the waters.
That reality is neither particularly cold, nor particularly hard. They've been offered rights at a knockdown price where neither Sky or BT were exercised enough to meet the reserve price in the first round or come back in at round two.

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They will want to know if they can introduce a streaming service that is as good or better than conventional broadcasting. They will want to see how many actually watch the matches they have acquired over the Christmas period.
So many questions as to the viability of the high cost, high risk business model. Glad to have you on board.

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I do believe they are serious about this. Only this week, they have introduced a new series 'Back of the Net' that each week will look back at the last weekend's Premiership action, hosted by Peter Crouch. Also on Amazon is a six-part series 'Take Us Home, Leeds United' and another weekly series called 'Inside Borussia Dortmund' which goes behind the scenes of the top German football club during Bundesliga's 2018-19 season. Why the sudden interest in football documentaries, I wonder? Answers on a postcard please....
There's a massive gulf between low cost football documentaries and high value football rights. If they want the Bundesliga and the Premiership that's even greater cost (and risk!)

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As for your 'anyone can do it' jibe, it is pretty obvious that any company wanting to bid for the Premiership rights needs big trouser pockets.
They need a viable business model!

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Amazon's are way bigger the Sky's and BT's, so I really don't understand this mental block of yours which compels you to continue denying that this could happen. It could, and I think that is obvious to most people. There is no barrier to prevent it, apart from your own dark imagination.

Let's agree to disagree. I can't bear to keep going over these same old arguments. I am never going to convince you, and you are certainly not going to convince me. Only a few short years before we see the truth of the matter.
And what changes between now and then?

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And your thought process ignores the realities of why Amazon such a big streaming company has not blown Sky and BT out of the water long before now.
Den, we've been over and over this. I do subscribe to streaming services and a lot of my viewing comes from there. However, at the present moment, there are also some good programmes scattered amongst the junk that I want to see. So it is too early at this stage to make any decisions to ditch the scheduled channels. 2035 is still 15 years away - you need to pace yourself. A lot will happen between now and then.

While true to say that Amazon hasn't 'blown Sky out of the water' as you put it on football rights, the fact is that they have chosen not to do so up until now. There are many reasons for that, including the technical difficulties with streaming such as latency and broadband coverage, but as these difficulties get resolved, the idea becomes more attractive.

The fact that they haven't done it yet doesn't mean they never will, that is a really pathetic argument. Everything has to start somewhere.
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