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Old 07-11-2019, 12:47   #2446
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Independent report on Tory austerity deaths:

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Old 07-11-2019, 12:47   #2447
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Independent report on Tory austerity deaths:

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the link to health and social care spending is speculative as observational studies of this type can never prove cause and effect."
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Old 07-11-2019, 12:51   #2448
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Independent report on Tory austerity deaths:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...OkkVyODCREj_Vg
Didn't you notice my reply (post #2437) to the first time around you posted a link to that article.


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Professor Martin Roland Emeritus Professor of Health Services Research, University of Cambridge said: “This study suggests that a change happened to cause deaths to stop declining around 2014."
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Local authority spending on adult social care in England fell 8% in real terms between 2009–10 and 2016–17, but was protected relative to spending on other local authority services.
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Old 08-11-2019, 13:46   #2449
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.

Our daughter's DLA to PIP scenario just took a strange turn.

PIP refused at first assessment (December 2018)

PIP refused at Mandatory Reconsideration (May 2019)

Tribunal requested (21st May 2019)

Tribunal cancelled by the DWP (29th May 2019) Maximum points awarded by their Decision Maker, backdated to December 2018.

On reading the Award Letter, we saw that they had been overly generous with the points, giving her points for something that does not affect her often enough to warrant the award. So I sent them a letter highlighting this. It was signed-for on 6th June, but no response has been received.

Then today we have received a request from the Tribunal Service for a copy of her Mandatory Reconsideration in order for her Tribunal to go ahead. ? ? ? ?
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Old 08-11-2019, 17:14   #2450
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.

Sounds like the DWP told you about the cax. But forgot to tell the tribunal. Maybe send the tribunal a copy of the cax. and award letters and see what happens?
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Old 08-11-2019, 19:29   #2451
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Sounds like the DWP told you about the cax. But forgot to tell the tribunal. Maybe send the tribunal a copy of the cax. and award letters and see what happens?
Cax?

The only way to contact the Tribunal is by phone. 0300 number, so I racked up a bill hanging on to their muzak this afternoon. No reply.

I'll just take the documentation to them next time I'm in town.
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.

Does the DWP conceding, cancel the process? The appeal is brought by the claimant. Perhaps it's the claimant that then has to cancel it, pointing out the issues had been resolved.

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Cax?

The only way to contact the Tribunal is by phone. 0300 number, so I racked up a bill hanging on to their muzak this afternoon. No reply.

I'll just take the documentation to them next time I'm in town.
They have email. You can even send documentation that way.
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Old 08-11-2019, 19:48   #2453
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Cax?

The only way to contact the Tribunal is by phone. 0300 number, so I racked up a bill hanging on to their muzak this afternoon. No reply.

I'll just take the documentation to them next time I'm in town.
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Does the DWP conceding, cancel the process? The appeal is brought by the claimant. Perhaps it's the claimant that then has to cancel it, pointing out the issues had been resolved.

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They have email. You can even send documentation that way.
If the DWP has changed its mind and made the award there is nothing to appeal and the tribunal would be cancelled. Obviously an error has occured somewhere.
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Old 08-11-2019, 20:04   #2455
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If the DWP has changed its mind and made the award there is nothing to appeal and the tribunal would be cancelled. Obviously an error has occured somewhere.
As I said, once it has reached the independent appeal stage, it is the claimant that has to initiate any appeal. In that sense the claimant is in control. If you think of the more general situation with appellant and respondent, the respondent shouldn't be able to cancel anything without the explicit agreement of the appellant.

I had a similar situation where I had to query what would happen if the DWP conceded, as a different Tribunal had made a favourable decision just a few months before. The first-tier tribunal office didn't know the answer. In the end, on the day of the hearing the DWP sent a representative to concede, and the Tribunal had separately also agreed in my favour before the hearing started. The Decision Notice was on the table when I entered the room.


At the very least send in a copy of the DWP decision as evidence, and change to the tribunal being based on the papers rather than having to attend any hearing.

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Does the DWP conceding, cancel the process? The appeal is brought by the claimant. Perhaps it's the claimant that then has to cancel it, pointing out the issues had been resolved..
I believed that the process would end with the DWP conceding and then the DWP informing the Tribunal.

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They have email. You can even send documentation that way
I haven't been able to find an email address online or in any of their correspondence.

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At the very least send in a copy of the DWP decision as evidence, and change to the tribunal being based on the papers rather than having to attend any hearing.
I'll drop it off in person as they might also be able to help with the letter I sent to DWP about our concerns that the award was too generous.
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I believed that the process would end with the DWP conceding and then the DWP informing the Tribunal.

I haven't been able to find an email address online or in any of their correspondence.

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I'll drop it off in person as they might also be able to help with the letter I sent to DWP about our concerns that the award was too generous.
If it's the Cardiff office on Newport Rd, then the link below has all the contact details, including email and Fax.
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Our daughter's DLA to PIP scenario just took a strange turn.

PIP refused at first assessment (December 2018)

PIP refused at Mandatory Reconsideration (May 2019)

Tribunal requested (21st May 2019)

Tribunal cancelled by the DWP (29th May 2019) Maximum points awarded by their Decision Maker, backdated to December 2018.

On reading the Award Letter, we saw that they had been overly generous with the points, giving her points for something that does not affect her often enough to warrant the award. So I sent them a letter highlighting this. It was signed-for on 6th June, but no response has been received.

Then today we have received a request from the Tribunal Service for a copy of her Mandatory Reconsideration in order for her Tribunal to go ahead. ? ? ? ?
I dropped in and gave them the docs to copy. The guy who dealt with it said the DWP have often failed to send a form to them when a case is resolved by both claimant and DWP. Their giving maximum points was a ploy to ensure the case could not be contested further.

But I showed him a copy of the letter we sent stating that they had been over-generous. He suggested I should keep proof of them receiving that letter (Post Office Signed-for) in case they ever decided to claim over-payment. The Tribunals deal with that scenario a lot.

When I got home, my daughter said that someone from that office had called asking for a "reference number". She did not understand what that meant, so I hope they'll call again. I suspect they want the P.O. receipt number, to put on her records in case the DWP decides to play silly buggers.
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Re: The state benefits system mega-thread.

What an absolute minefield. You must have to approach this like some military strategist to stay on top of it all.
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