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jfman · 07-12-2018, 17:21

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You would still expect more of those who advocate for one to be present to put forward the case.

Well no, because it’s not a formal debate on the chamber and there were other matters and the vote at the end isn’t binding, merely an an acknowledgment of a petition being submitted.

If it makes the floor of the chamber, which has a reasonable chance, I’d expect all in attendance as the judgement there would be binding (at least, until such times as Parliament unbound itself).

djfunkdup · 07-12-2018, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Hugh

But yet people still get what they asked for, because responsible parents realise it’s important to set realistic expectations and not promise what can’t be delivered to those expecting nice things.

We all know Santa doesn’t exist, so we make sure we plan well in advance and put things in place, rather than having to go to the petrol garage on Christmas Eve and giving people BBQ Charcoal, an overpriced bag of Maltesers, and some beyond best date flowers because we couldn’t be bothered actually trying to work out the impact of what we promised.

Well i could argue that WE ALL know what the result was in the referendum regarding leaving the EU or not,But like Santa some like to believe in make believe and prefer to stay in fantasy land as it gives them a warm feeling and makes them feel secure .

These days are drawing to a close now.The EU fantasy is over and good riddance to it.

One of my favorite Quotes : “ If your mind is strong, all difficult things will become easy; if your mind is weak, all easy things will become difficult.” Amen

**Hugh** · 07-12-2018, 17:42

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-thr....co/AzwgZ53lWm

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AS UK PRIME Minister Theresa May has just five days to try to rally support for her Brexit deal, a Tory MP has suggested using the possibility of food shortages to Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit to encourage the EU to drop the backstop.

A government report, leaked to the Times of London, has indicated that there could be food shortages in Ireland in a no-deal Brexit scenario, and the economic impact on Ireland would be worse than in the UK.

This is based on the large number of food exports from the UK to Ireland (more than half of the total food imported to Ireland comes from the UK). In the event of a no-deal, trade rules would revert to those used by the World Trade Organisation (WTO), but the UK would have to apply to become a member of the WTO to implement them.

At a Brexit event for local authorities held in Dublin this week, economist Dan O’Brien echoed those sentiments, adding that the threat of food shortages and supplies in a no-deal scenario shouldn’t be underestimated.

According to today’s article, the UK government report has indicated that there would be a 7% drop in GDP for Ireland, while the equivalent for the UK would be a drop of 5%.

Tory MP Priti Patel has told the paper that these warnings should have been used as leverage against Ireland to encourage them to drop the backstop.

“This paper appears to show the government were well aware Ireland will face significant issues in a no-deal scenario. Why hasn’t this point been pressed home during negotiations? There is still time to go back to Brussels and get a better deal.”

Really? Don’t these people know their history?

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Well i could argue that WE ALL know what the result was in the referendum regarding leaving the EU or not,But like Santa some like to believe in make believe and prefer to stay in fantasy land as it gives them a warm feeling and makes them feel secure .

These days are drawing to a close now.The EU fantasy is over and good riddance to it.

One of my favorite Quotes : “ If your mind is strong, all difficult things will become easy; if your mind is weak, all easy things will become difficult.” Amen

Try lying down in front of a tank, and see how that works out for you...

denphone · 07-12-2018, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-thr....co/AzwgZ53lWm

Really? Don’t these people know their history?

Not the first politician is it who does not know the history of Ireland sadly Hugh.

djfunkdup · 07-12-2018, 17:47

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-thr....co/AzwgZ53lWm

Really? Don’t these people know their history?

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Try lying down in front of a tank, and see how that works out for you...

I just did it for you Hugh and i got a lovely view of my 5 inch TinFoil barbs from an upside down position

denphone · 07-12-2018, 18:32

And this man was the former Brexit secretary..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...avis-s3wp97jlt

1andrew1 · 07-12-2018, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Chris

The endgame approaches. Unsurprisingly we begin to discover what the various players’ objectives are.

if only we knew what the end game was!
- Parliament votes for Theresa May's bill?
- Parliament votes to revoke Article 50?
- Parliament asks for a referendum on Theresa May's deal, v remaining?
(No deal is effectively ruled out now by all accounts as Parliament is now asserting its sovereign powers.)

Arthurgray50@blu · 07-12-2018, 22:28

I personally am getting sick to death of the whole bloody thing. Theresa May reminds me of that evil woman Thatcher,

She has got something in her head and wants to see it through.

This country will be ruined beyond imagination. Major companies are moving abroad and unemployment will reach unmentionable heights.

We the voter have been conned by ALL MPs. who have told us a LOB

The public will suffer. An tonight it was suggested to threaten Northern Ireland with food shortages.
Theresa May should should the best thing for the country and resign. And take it too the country.

The whole thing stinks

djfunkdup · 07-12-2018, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

She has got something in her head and wants to see it through.

Eh TM was actually a remainer lol

jfman · 07-12-2018, 22:44

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Originally Posted by djfunkdup

Well i could argue that WE ALL know what the result was in the referendum regarding leaving the EU or not,But like Santa some like to believe in make believe and prefer to stay in fantasy land as it gives them a warm feeling and makes them feel secure .

These days are drawing to a close now.The EU fantasy is over and good riddance to it.

One of my favorite Quotes : “ If your mind is strong, all difficult things will become easy; if your mind is weak, all easy things will become difficult.” Amen

On the contrary. The EU dream is emboldened. The might United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, for all it’s bluster, either fails to leave as specified, or sacrifices its sovereign territory for the dream. Either way, our friends in Brussels get to tell everyone the price of leaving is high.

Quite right too.

pip08456 · 07-12-2018, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

An tonight it was suggested to threaten Northern Ireland with food shortages.

Pay attention Arthur. Nobody threatened anybody and nobody mentioned Northern Ireland.

1andrew1 · 07-12-2018, 23:11

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Originally Posted by denphone

And this man was the former Brexit secretary..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...avis-s3wp97jlt

A former Brexit secretary.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-thr....co/AzwgZ53lWm

Really? Don’t these people know their history?

I guess the only thing that can be said in her defence for her was that she was talking about other negative impacts that would impact upon the Republic of Ireland too like a 7% decrease in GDP. It was not just the food supplies issue she wanted to use as a negotiating lever.
But really - what a terrible way to think of treating one of our major trading partners and allies, on top of the historical situation.

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Originally Posted by jfman

On the contrary. The EU dream is emboldened. The might United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, for all it’s bluster, either fails to leave as specified, or sacrifices its sovereign territory for the dream. Either way, our friends in Brussels get to tell everyone the price of leaving is high.

Quite right too.

Many of those who believed the "they need us more than we need them" line are now understandably disappointed.

jfman · 07-12-2018, 23:20

Indeed, while we behaved like spoiled, petulant children the European Union and developed three coherent strategies.

One: we may remain
Two: we may leave without a deal

Of these two the European Union have no control. Energy hasn’t been wasted on point one, contingencies made for point two. An unfortunate but not unanticipated event.

We are aiming for option three: one which nobody can clearly define, nor confirm they want, that there’s no mandate for in the public or Parliament, and the EU are supposed to fear our powerful negotiating position?

Sephiroth · 07-12-2018, 23:31

If Remain had won the first Referendum in a 52/48 ratio and the Leave camp bitched for a second Referendum, the Remainers would pretend to be affronted etc.

Now this is where it is really unfair, not just unfair. In the Remain vote scenario, the perfidious French, the perfidious Irish and the perfidious Spanish wouldn't have unleashed that perfidy. So Remainers wouldn't have the opportunity of being swayed to vote Leave in a second Referendum. So a second Referendum simply wouldn't happen.

In the present situation, the Remainers are using every device to force another Referendum to overturn a democratic decision taken in 2016. It's hypocritical and perverse.

It hasn't helped that the guvmin has been so bad at negotiating let alone pissing away their majority in 2017. They should have started out on an assumption of no deal and let the EU sweat it out and panic while we made our preparations.

The only case for a 2nd Referendum, if there is a case at all, would be based on the guvmin's incompetence by making a Brexit BRINO.

If there is to be a 2nd Referendum, the ballot paper should not offer the Remain option because that decision has been taken and enshrined in law.

jfman · 07-12-2018, 23:42

Once again a failure to understand what “enshrined in law” actually means.

It’s entirely democratic that everyone uses any approach (within civil and criminal law, we used to think this was a given until the Leave campaign) to justify their cause, and indeed bring it forward at every general election they wish.