Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Kursk]

Well, if the news does break, I hope CaptJamieHunter gets to read it. A bit of good news, however small in comparison to his current experience, might help a little.

But I agree, there needs to be a totality to the VM rejection. I don't really blame them for watching and waiting as long as they come up with the best decision for their customers (their first priority) and themselves (the business choice is not trivial here). On this occasion, there is only one viable decision and it sounds as if they may have got it right.

[hoggie]

if this has been posted before, Im sorry mods

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080404phorm.pdf

its a bit long but does explain a few things

[JackSon]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Yeah but it is a respect thing. I have been very lucky to be given the time I have been given by journalists and media so I would never want to jeopardise that out of respect. It is also very useful to have such contacts so it would be a shame to upset any of them and possibly lose that resource as a result.

Alexander Hanff

Yes, but what I am saying is the twisting was not done by yourself, it was a thrid party. So they cannot lose respect for you there; unless of course, they didn't want you to mention anything at all in which case would change things.

[popper]

No 39

that would appear to be a 98:1 ratio since the last 'happy to share my surfing habits' shame we couldnt get a full 100:1 but not to worry.

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by JackSon

Yes, but what I am saying is the twisting was not done by yourself, it was a thrid party. So they cannot lose respect for you there; unless of course, they didn't want you to mention anything at all in which case would change things.

I have taken my revolver into the study and will do the decent thing.

[serial]

Maybe this was Virgins cunning plan all along, lure BT into Phorm with the promise of collaboration. Then when BT got so deep into Phorm, VM pull out, and suck up all those thousands of BT customers. BT must have invested a vast amount of money into this to pull out now.

Virgin: "we're sorry, we've listened to our customers and the customers of other ISPs *cough* BT and want to offer everyone a Phorm free zone".

Not getting excited until I see an announcement though.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by R Jones

I have taken my revolver into the study and will do the decent thing.

hrhrhrhrhr!

[Rchivist]

If VM dump Webwise, might that make VM a phreshly phragrant phorm phree Virgin worth a BT customer phrantically and phrenetically phraternising with?

[Phormic Acid]

Originally Posted by NTLVictim

What's the best site to look at to watch their shares tank in realtime if the rumour is true?

Originally Posted by lucevans

I just checked Yahoo stock quotes, and Phorm, BT and Carphone Warehouse are all down, but Virgin Media is up on the day. Coincidence?

The LSE’s continuous trading hours are 08:00-16:30. Given the time that Charles posted, even he may not have known until after the close of market. We won’t see any effects of the story until the markets open tomorrow. While I expect the shares will open a good deal lower, don’t expect them to ‘tank’. Virgin Media’s lack of commitment was well known and the share price represents Phorm’s global potential. However, hopefully, we’ll be able to look back at this and say it was the beginning of the end for Phorm in the EU. The Charles Stanley report on Phorm states, “our Base Case assumption has the UK going fully commercial during Q3/08; …France in Q1/10; Germany in Q2/10, and Italy and Spain in Q3/10 and Q4/10.” Michael Armitage, the author, is another one who needs his bumps feeling. If Phorm think they’re having problems here, they should wait till they get to Germany.

[serial]

Originally Posted by icsys

Information taken from http://phormwatch.blogspot.com/
Also these companies have statements quoted on the Phorm website suggesting they are already 'in bed.'

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Yes because the video of the Q&A Panel from the meeting hasn't been released yet, which is when he said it (in his little tangle with Charles Arthur from the Guardian regarding the Guardian dropping OIX).

So you only have my word for it (unless anyone else here stayed for the Q&A?)

Alexander Hanff

To back-up Alex, Kent basically said they were signed up "in principle" to OIX, no actual contracts signed.

---------- Post added at 22:37 ---------- Previous post was at 22:36 ----------

Perhaps this is why they pulled the video, maybe this is actual evidence that they misled the markets.

[mark777]

Home Secretary on 5 live tomorrow am. Post your questions here :-


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/victoriad...n_the_sho.html

[icsys]

Don't get too excited...
...there has been an update to the blog.

Update: Virgin's spokesman says that there has "been no change" in Virgin's policy, which you can find at its Webwise page. That says

Virgin Media has signed a preliminary agreement with Phorm to understand in more detail how this technology works but we have not yet decided if it will be introduced.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by R Jones

If VM dump Webwise, might that make VM a phreshly phragrant phorm phree Virgin worth a BT customer phrantically and phrenetically phraternising with?

Hrhrhrhrhr! . Certainly looks that way. What they need is a catchy targeted ad campaign like:

Lipsmackin thirst quenchin ace tastin motivatin good buzzin cool talkin high walkin fast livin ever givin cool phizzin - Phorm

Or maybe not

[wecpc]

Originally Posted by Hank

Deep, deeeep, DEEP, DEEEEEEP JOY!

If VM declare this to be true, expect a rush of BT customers asking you if they can get out of their contract. Even if I cannot, I'll be counting the days to the day I can. Did they change the Ts & Cs yet? Could it be that I see the chanegs as material? Oh please VM do it. Then, please BT, launch your smelly stinking trial and change the TS & Cs. Try telling me it's not material and I'll tell you how material it is when I stick it up

[This user disconnected unexpectedly but is very happy tonight]

I have just migrated to O2 today and got out of my recently renewed contract, by writing to the BT Chairman's Office and when he gave me my MAC, he stated that if I get charged for early termination to contact him and he would get all charges dropped. So we shall see shortly.

Colin

[serial]

Originally Posted by icsys

Don't get too excited...
...there has been an update to the blog.

Update: Virgin's spokesman says that there has "been no change" in Virgin's policy, which you can find at its Webwise page. That says

Virgin Media has signed a preliminary agreement with Phorm to understand in more detail how this technology works but we have not yet decided if it will be introduced.

Thats a good sign, leak limitation using standard PR speak. If they really wanted to deny the rumour then they could have used something other than the "party line".