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Old 21-04-2021, 16:49   #16
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It is and it is being accelerated through social media and You Tube. The number of times I have to correct by 9yr old.......Sweets not Candy, Rubbish not Trash etc, etc.

I think it's likely as they get older they'll grow out if it, but some will stick. People using the "US" dictionary when using Word, and just accepting the US spellings.

The adoption of BLM in the UK and the attempt to equate racial issues in the US to the UK, when the two are completely different.

The push for Critical Race Theory to adopted in the UK.

The UK and US are very different, but people seem to think we're not.
100% agreed. I can't stand it when Brits use pointless americanisms. "Cell phone", "sidewalk", "chips" instead of crisps etc.
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IMHO British culture is slowly being destroyed by the easily offended snowflakes.

Take a look at some of the classic British shows that have to be "Cut" so the don't offend.

For example "In sickness and in health", Alf Garnett was a bigot who ending up losing the argument, and that was the point of the show taking the mick out of bigots.

Then do you remember "Mind your language" it was an English language class, with the stereo typical non English type, but it will never be shown on TV.
I remember "Mind your language" well. It was very clever because it also pitted Pakistani origin against Indian origin and all point west and east of that! Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC9_Aan_S9Q

Only the wokest of woke can find anything wrong with that. It's brilliant.

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The ESL thread got into debate about football being part of British culture. This post in that thread sums up where we got to.

For the purposes of this thread, it doesn't matter whether or not football is part of British culture (I certainly think it's part of our heritage). My main motive for starting this thread is to discuss the proposition that our culture will be submerged by others over time.

Some of this debate may turn on "culture" vs "heritage". Some of this debate may turn on diversity and whether or not that dilutes our culture.

In the linked thread, Chris wrote (my emphasis):



There we have it. "Culture" vs "heritage". Something that passes down the family is definitely in the "heritage" class, 'right under my nose' which I can't see!

My main contention is that our culture is under threat from other cultures, particularly any that are intransigent and antithetic to the Judeo-Christian element of our culture.

Incidentally, it may be interesting to boil British culture down to a common denominator. I've mentioned Judeo-Christian which could be argued taking atheism into account. In a liberal society, culture evolves with experience and possibly brainwashing (see woke-ism for details); I doubt that's the case with certain other cultures.

So what do you all think?




It's impossible to discuss this meaningfully without a working definition of 'culture' we can agree on. As you have started off the thread by completely missing the point of my earlier post, we're not off to a good start.

Let's start by clearing that up:

Do you understand what a 'cultural artefact' is, and why a cultural artefact may or may not also be part of your heritage?
What is your working definition of 'culture'?

Full disclosure:
My first degree is in archaeology. Discussion of material culture and the interpretation of it, in pursuit of vanished cultures, a speciality.
My second degree (will be) in practical theology, unless I mess up the dissertation I'm meant to be writing this afternoon, which, coincidentally, is on the subject of how long-term exposure to visual storytelling (film and TV, with my specific examples drawn from Hollywood) affects the way spoken sermons are received by church congregations. My dissertation is being marked by a specialist in cultural theology, because that's the area I'm working in. The Hollywood summer blockbuster is both a builder of, and a mirror for, culture. As is Anfield on a Saturday afternoon.

Which is a very long-winded way of saying that I have spent a ridiculously large amount of my life contemplating what culture is, and how we relate to it, but also that I don't sadly have much time this evening to contribute here.

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Re: British culture

I don't care about British culture.I was born in the former British colony of Nigeria and I was the different one. Then I came back to a country I was a stranger to when I was 7/8 old.Again I was the odd one out. The fact is we are an island that has been invaded by other cultures for a couple of thousand years and we coped just fine.We have been welcoming our European and Commonwealth cousins for a few centuries and we haven't lost a thing.We have in fact grown.We got on quite well with the those displaced during 2 world wars and I thought we were doing well in being part of the EU when we accepted our neighbours across the channel and they accepted us moving to the EU to work and live. I think we were enriched by being part of a bigger whole. British culture is just a mish mash of all those who have invaded and migrated to us. That IS our culture.
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It's impossible to discuss this meaningfully without a working definition of 'culture' we can agree on. As you have started off the thread by completely missing the point of my earlier post, we're not off to a good start.

Let's start by clearing that up:

Do you understand what a 'cultural artefact' is, and why a cultural artefact may or may not also be part of your heritage?
What is your working definition of 'culture'?


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My first degree is in archaeology. Discussion of material culture and the interpretation of it, in pursuit of vanished cultures, a specialty.
My second degree (will be) in practical theology, unless I mess up the dissertation I'm meant to be writing this afternoon, which, coincidentally, is on the subject of how long-term exposure to visual storytelling (film and TV, with my specific examples drawn from Hollywood) affects the way spoken sermons are received by church congregations. My dissertation is being marked by a specialist in cultural theology, because that's the area I'm working in. The Hollywood summer blockbuster is both a builder of, and a mirror for, culture. As is Anfield on a Saturday afternoon.

Which is a very long-winded way of saying that I have spent a ridiculously large amount of my life contemplating what culture is, and how we relate to it, but also that I don't sadly have much time this evening to contribute here.
I know exactly what a "cultural artefact" is. That includes books, artwork, statues, archaeology etc, from which we can deduce something of the culture of those times and their effect on present culture.

My working definition of "culture" leans towards the anthropological meaning; so feel free to agree/disagree. To me, it means the values, goals, beliefs, behaviours etc shared by a society. Football is not one of those, not even within the etc range! Football is a widely shared interest that has little or no bearing on British culture.

Does "British Society" include all cultures present in the UK? And that is close to the nub of the matter. If other cultures don't share the same values and goals and beliefs of British society, we will run into trouble when/if their numbers grow to a critical mass, whatever that might be.

As regards theology, the Judeo-Christian foundation that is a pillar of British culture does not require believe in God. It is an accepted code of behaviour that we learn in school and from example at home and in association with others.
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Re: British culture

Cultural Heritage? Cultural Artifact?

Stonehenge
Hadrians Wall
The Canal Network
Lancashire Textile Mills
Clifton Suspension Bridge
The Mary Rose

etc etc, list is endless

Different times, different culture, same Country
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Cultural Heritage? Cultural Artifact?

Stonehenge
Hadrians Wall
The Canal Network
Lancashire Textile Mills
Clifton Suspension Bridge
The Mary Rose

etc etc, list is endless

Different times, different culture, same Country
You omitted 'Football' from the endless list!
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It's impossible to discuss this meaningfully without a working definition of 'culture' we can agree on. As you have started off the thread by completely missing the point of my earlier post, we're not off to a good start.

Let's start by clearing that up:

Do you understand what a 'cultural artefact' is, and why a cultural artefact may or may not also be part of your heritage?
What is your working definition of 'culture'?

Full disclosure:
My first degree is in archaeology. Discussion of material culture and the interpretation of it, in pursuit of vanished cultures, a speciality.
My second degree (will be) in practical theology, unless I mess up the dissertation I'm meant to be writing this afternoon, which, coincidentally, is on the subject of how long-term exposure to visual storytelling (film and TV, with my specific examples drawn from Hollywood) affects the way spoken sermons are received by church congregations. My dissertation is being marked by a specialist in cultural theology, because that's the area I'm working in. The Hollywood summer blockbuster is both a builder of, and a mirror for, culture. As is Anfield on a Saturday afternoon.

Which is a very long-winded way of saying that I have spent a ridiculously large amount of my life contemplating what culture is, and how we relate to it, but also that I don't sadly have much time this evening to contribute here.
Ah well, physical artefacts are a different thing. I would say that our culture in that respect is more defined by how we interact or relate to physical artefacts or symbols than the actual artefacts themselves
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My working definition of "culture" leans towards the anthropological meaning; so feel free to agree/disagree. To me, it means the values, goals, beliefs, behaviours etc shared by a society. Football is not one of those, not even within the etc range! Football is a widely shared interest that has little or no bearing on British culture.
Your assertion re football makes no sense in the context of your perfectly fine definition of culture.

Football, in common with all sports, very obviously says something about the values of our culture with regards to competition, teamwork, applied physical prowess and the sharing of heightened emotional experiences. Football, as a primary spectator and participation sport, says more than most.

It goes to the heart of behaviour in our culture when the sport has an aggregate attendance at professional domestic league matches in excess of 30 million over the course of a season, with many more watching on TV at home or in the pub.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nited-kingdom/

Replica shirts, bumper stickers, hats and scarves are everywhere, all year round. It is appealed to in conversation as metaphor constantly. For you to attempt to pass it off as a 'widely shared interest' with 'little or no bearing' on culture is bizarre. I'm beginning to think you've argued yourself into a corner and haven't quite worked out how to get out of it.
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The form of the headword usually reflects the standard modern spelling of the word. Where there are two standard modern forms (e.g. British and U.S. spellings), the entry has dual headwords, separated by a vertical bar. See, for example, manoeuvre | maneuver. By convention, the British spelling is given first, and determines the order of the entry in the dictionary; but you can search for the entry using either spelling.
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