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Old 22-12-2019, 18:11   #2041
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Interesting you mention the undemocratic EU in one breath, then entering into new trading arrangements with China - cognitive dissonance, much?
Well, all of Andrew's Brexit predictions up until now have proved to be wrong, have they not? Mine have only proved wrong in terms of when we could get the deal through, but it was Parliament, not the EU, that was blocking this.

As far as China is concerned, it is a big trading nation these days. Much as I am concerned about human rights in that country, the degree of democracy permitted there is a separate issue from trade. China would see it as none of our business, and they have a point.

There are not many countries in the world with our high standards. Are you suggesting we don't trade with them either?
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Old 22-12-2019, 19:13   #2042
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Well, all of Andrew's Brexit predictions up until now have proved to be wrong, have they not? Mine have only proved wrong in terms of when we could get the deal through, but it was Parliament, not the EU, that was blocking this.

As far as China is concerned, it is a big trading nation these days. Much as I am concerned about human rights in that country, the degree of democracy permitted there is a separate issue from trade. China would see it as none of our business, and they have a point.

There are not many countries in the world with our high standards. Are you suggesting we don't trade with them either?
If they are using forced prison labour to make our our Christmas cards then yes we shouldn't trade with them.
https://news.sky.com/story/tesco-hal...mates-11892913
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. A six-year-old girl who found a message from a prisoner in China inside a Tesco Christmas card has said she "thought it was a prank".

Florence Widdicombe told Sky News "it was really weird" to find the note in the charity card.

The message read: "We are foreign prisoners in Shanghai Qingpu prison China. Forced to work against our will. Please help us and notify human rights organisation."
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Old 22-12-2019, 19:17   #2043
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If they are using forced prison labour to make our our Christmas cards then yes we shouldn't trade with them.
https://news.sky.com/story/tesco-hal...mates-11892913
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Old 22-12-2019, 20:35   #2044
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Don't say that, papa, you know someone here would believe that!

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If they are using forced prison labour to make our our Christmas cards then yes we shouldn't trade with them.
https://news.sky.com/story/tesco-hal...mates-11892913
As you well know, Mr K, that has only just come to light and Tesco is taking this seriously. No-one is suggesting that this is acceptable. Trust you to take an extreme example to argue the point.
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Old 22-12-2019, 20:52   #2045
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Old 22-12-2019, 21:49   #2046
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As you well know, Mr K, that has only just come to light and Tesco is taking this seriously. No-one is suggesting that this is acceptable. Trust you to take an extreme example to argue the point.
AFAIK OB, the 'Evil Empire', aka the EU, doesn't use forced labour or chlorinate its chicken. Going elsewhere in the World will lead to a lowering of standards both in quality of products and human rights. This country has taken a massive backward step, whilst the EU will move forward without us. As we'll find out, we're really not the super power or as influential as we once were.
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Old 22-12-2019, 22:28   #2047
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that prisons in the country have high rates of executions, forced labor and deaths in custody.
Of course the EU would never trade with such a country, never mind sign a trade deal with it.
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But diplomats and rights groups have long suspected, based on interviews with former inmates and reports in Vietnam’s state-run news media, that prisons in the country have high rates of executions, forced labor and deaths in custody.
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Jobs in prison are not always paid. In Poland all institutions provide limited opportunities to do volunteer and unpaid work for the benefit of the unit. Prisoners can dispense meals, work in the kitchen or help with cleaning. In Latvia, sentenced prisoners may be employed with or without remuneration. In Greece, instead of payment, cleaning and maintenance of prison facilities activities result in the reduction of the actual length of the sentence.
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Many prisoners are paid much less, with the prisons taking a variable amount of their salary. In many cases we noticed prison work is not paid (i.e. in Poland). In Italy salaries have been blocked for the past twenty years and more, in spite of very many petitions of prisoners who regularly win at court (by law prisoners must be given a salary not inferior to two thirds of that stated for the same job by the national contract).
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European Prison Rules assert that: “Prison authorities shall strive to provide sufficient work of a useful nature.” (26.2) Such activities have to be considered a positive element of the prison regime rather than punishment (26.1). In general terms, according to the national rules, it is possible to work both for the prison administration and private companies. However, employability depends on the availability of work places, and during the economic crisis prison work opportunities have significantly decreased almost everywhere.
So China is actually sticking to those guidelines.


The EU "chlorinates" vegetables and salads. It's a perfectly safe process, which is why the EU bans it for meat. Washing with air and a chlorinated wash is better than the EU standard of washing with air and water.
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Brazil sent one million salmonella-infected chickens to UK in two years
A fifth of Brazilian chicken exports are contaminated with the potentially life-threatening food poisoning bug salmonella

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The ban has stopped virtually all imports of US chicken meat which is generally treated by this process.It's not consuming chlorine itself that the EU is worried about - in fact in 2005 the European Food Safety Authority said that "exposure to chlorite residues arising from treated poultry carcasses would be of no safety concern". Chlorine-rinsed bagged salads are common in the UK and other countries in the EU.
But the EU believes that relying on a chlorine rinse at the end of the meat production process could be a way of compensating for poor hygiene standards - such as dirty or crowded abattoirs.
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Old 22-12-2019, 22:44   #2048
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The EU routinely hides its protectionism behind claims of concern for consumer safety. I don’t believe for a moment it never occurred to them that banning chlorinated chucked was a quick and easy way of effectively banning cheap, quality chicken imports from outside the EU.
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The EU routinely hides its protectionism behind claims of concern for consumer safety. I don’t believe for a moment it never occurred to them that banning chlorinated chucked was a quick and easy way of effectively banning cheap, quality chicken imports from outside the EU.
Or forcing up costs for other EU countries. Are we expected to believe that conditions in eastern EU countries are that good?
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Well, all of Andrew's Brexit predictions up until now have proved to be wrong, have they not? Mine have only proved wrong in terms of when we could get the deal through, but it was Parliament, not the EU, that was blocking this.
lol, humour me, which predictions of mine are you referring to, Old Boy?
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Old 23-12-2019, 00:47   #2051
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lol, humour me, which predictions of mine are you referring to, Old Boy?

..That comment will for sure win the silliest comment of the year award. it's got too man.. pure classic
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..That comment will for sure win the silliest comment of the year award. it's got too man.. pure classic
If you mean asking for factual evidence to back up an ad hominem statement is "silly", you have obviously been partaking of your previously admitted mind-altering substances (man...),
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If you mean asking for factual evidence to back up an ad hominem statement is "silly", you have obviously been partaking of your previously admitted mind-altering substances (man...),


Here this will cheer you up hugh

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-fi...wrong-11893531


Ex-leader Ed Miliband and his 2015 campaign chief are among those who will be looking into how Labour can get back into power.

That must give you loads of confidence that Mr Mummbling Mouth has got involved
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Here this will cheer you up hugh

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-fi...wrong-11893531


Ex-leader Ed Miliband and his 2015 campaign chief are among those who will be looking into how Labour can get back into power.

That must give you loads of confidence that Mr Mummbling Mouth has got involved
Think you've strayed from the thread a bit there old chap, and are being a bit anti-semitic. Guess different rules apply if its Ed Miliband.
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AFAIK OB, the 'Evil Empire', aka the EU, doesn't use forced labour or chlorinate its chicken. Going elsewhere in the World will lead to a lowering of standards both in quality of products and human rights. This country has taken a massive backward step, whilst the EU will move forward without us. As we'll find out, we're really not the super power or as influential as we once were.
That's absolute tosh, Mr K. The fact that we will trade more with China will not impact on human rights in that country.

It is typical of the bleeding heart liberals to confuse issues like this and interfere with the affairs of other countries.

You need to remember that it wasn't long ago when our prisoners were making mailbags, and before that were sentenced to hard labour for many offences. We may have moved on, but other countries still need to progress, as they will with time. We do not make the laws in other countries and we need to climb down from our high horses.

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lol, humour me, which predictions of mine are you referring to, Old Boy?
That the economy would suffer (it has not), that the EU negotiations would not get beyond phase 1 (which they did), that we would never get a withdrawal agreement past Brussels (which we did), that Boris would never get rid of the backstop (which he did within three months...).

I'm not sure which of your predictions on this subject you think have come to pass. Yes, the pound has dropped in value, but that will recover when there is certainty in the minds of investors.

Your views are influenced a lot by economic forecasts, but you don't seem to accept that time and time again, these have been proved wrong, based as they are on negatives, without proper consideration of the positives.
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