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Old 21-12-2019, 14:37   #2026
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Prophesied by the guy who said we would not even get past the first stage of negotiations with the EU!

When are you going to ditch your negative outlook and actually try to understand how many times you have been wrong on this?
It's meant to be funny, but I'm not sure I've been wrong on anything as it's all opinions until it happens.
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With all due respect, lots of people have been wrong from both sides. It's not just a one person/side thing.
Yes - but when it's prayed in aid by a still bleating Remainer, then the choice of quote kind of matters.
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Old 21-12-2019, 18:56   #2028
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Yes - but when it's prayed in aid by a still bleating Remainer, then the choice of quote kind of matters.
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

A bit harsh on yourself, but you* said it, not me...

*well, BR did, actually...
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Old 22-12-2019, 13:29   #2031
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A bit harsh on yourself, but you* said it, not me...

*well, BR did, actually...
Except that I was referring to Andrew's persistent negativity when it comes to all things Brexit.

The opportunities I can see from leaving a failing, bureaucratic and undemocratic EU and entering into new trading arrangements with the US, India, China, African and Australian/Asian and Commonwealth countries indicate that Brexit will turn out to be the best decision the electorate have ever taken. I have been listening to all the arguments, but frankly, neither I nor the majority of the electorate, see a more convincing argument to stay in the EU.
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Except that I was referring to Andrew's persistent negativity when it comes to all things Brexit.

The opportunities I can see from leaving a failing, bureaucratic and undemocratic EU and entering into new trading arrangements with the US, India, China, African and Australian/Asian and Commonwealth countries indicate that Brexit will turn out to be the best decision the electorate have ever taken. I have been listening to all the arguments, but frankly, neither I nor the majority of the electorate, see a more convincing argument to stay in the EU.
But isn't that just your opinion? Yes some of that opinion might be based on facts but so are the other sides opinions. None of us will know who is right or whether both are partly right/wrong till after it happens. Some people see it as a good thing, others don't. It's getting boring when people belittle other people's opinions on something that hasn't happened yet and frankly is one big guess at the minute. That goes for both sides too.
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But isn't that just your opinion? Yes some of that opinion might be based on facts but so are the other sides opinions. None of us will know who is right or whether both are partly right/wrong till after it happens. Some people see it as a good thing, others don't. It's getting boring when people belittle other people's opinions on something that hasn't happened yet and frankly is one big guess at the minute. That goes for both sides too.
The difference being Andrew loves to quote and link to experts so his opinion is put forward as fact thanks to their opinions. As you well know remainers have frequently put forward opinion as fact.
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But isn't that just your opinion? Yes some of that opinion might be based on facts but so are the other sides opinions. None of us will know who is right or whether both are partly right/wrong till after it happens. Some people see it as a good thing, others don't. It's getting boring when people belittle other people's opinions on something that hasn't happened yet and frankly is one big guess at the minute. That goes for both sides too.
Exactly. As my post #2026 says, it's all opinions until it happens although obviously some opinions can be more informed than others.
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The difference being Andrew loves to quote and link to experts so his opinion is put forward as fact thanks to their opinions. As you well know remainers have frequently put forward opinion as fact.
As do other people on the other side of the fence. It's not just a one man or one side thing. Anyway I'll leave it at that as it's going off topic.
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Exactly. As my post #2026 says, it's all opinions until it happens although obviously some opinions can be more informed than others.
But if the information its formed on is based solely on your agenda it is meaningless.

Thankfully we have now moved on from all the speculation, more informed or otherwise.
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Exactly. As my post #2026 says, it's all opinions until it happens although obviously some opinions can be more informed than others.
The information you receive is to be of questionable sources that purely have a one sided agenda. Were these the same sources that said, right after a leave vote 500,000 jobs would be lost, but as time went on, 500,000 were never lost!?!?

Forecasts are just that, forecasts, they have been wrong many many times.

We are not doing these arguments anymore, it's a bit late actually, we are finally leaving the corrupted EU, democratic vote of 2016 finally respected again, by a brand new parliament, many of the treacherous MPs who tried to thwart the 2016 EU Referendum result, royally fired by the electorate.
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The information you receive is to be of questionable sources that purely have a one sided agenda. Were these the same sources that said, right after a leave vote 500,000 jobs would be lost, but as time went on, 500,000 were never lost!?!?

Forecasts are just that, forecasts, they have been wrong many many times.

We are not doing these arguments anymore, it's a bit late actually, we are finally leaving the corrupted EU, democratic vote of 2016 finally respected again, by a brand new parliament, many of the treacherous MPs who tried to thwart the 2016 EU Referendum result, royally fired by the electorate.
Thankfully the electorate ( those who the remainers called uneducated uninformed etc) have returned a Government who will implement the will of the people and in no uncertain terms.

All the remainers have achieved is 3 1/2 yrs time and money wasted. I hope they are happy.
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Except that I was referring to Andrew's persistent negativity when it comes to all things Brexit.

The opportunities I can see from leaving a failing, bureaucratic and undemocratic EU and entering into new trading arrangements with the US, India, China, African and Australian/Asian and Commonwealth countries indicate that Brexit will turn out to be the best decision the electorate have ever taken. I have been listening to all the arguments, but frankly, neither I nor the majority of the electorate, see a more convincing argument to stay in the EU.


Interesting you mention the undemocratic EU in one breath, then entering into new trading arrangements with China - cognitive dissonance, much?
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Interesting you mention the undemocratic EU in one breath, then entering into new trading arrangements with China - cognitive dissonance, much?
Failing to see the connection between a perceived "undemocratic EU" and China. China isn't the one looking to continue to set rules in the UK. All in the name of a "level playing field", whatever the EU defines that to be. Only the EU would even think of imposing such restrictions on another country.
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