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Old 13-12-2019, 10:47   #1921
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I should imagine our resident remainers will be very vocal.
Not really - I didn't think the Referendum result was legitimate (for all the many reasons both sides have posted for the last couple of years), but as I said last night on the Election thread, the vote is an overwhelming mandate for Brexit.

Let's get it done.
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Old 13-12-2019, 11:57   #1922
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Not really - I didn't think the Referendum result was legitimate (for all the many reasons both sides have posted for the last couple of years), but as I said last night on the Election thread, the vote is an overwhelming mandate for Brexit.

Let's get it done.
I would agree with that now we know exactly what deal is on offer and the public have still gone for it. However doubt whether they've read the withdrawal agreement, realised how long trade talks and real Brexit might take, or the realise effects on economy/living standards e.g. an equivalent 10% cut in wages. The political price could be very high if it doesn't work out.

However they've made their choice, move on. .
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Old 13-12-2019, 12:06   #1923
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Not really - I didn't think the Referendum result was legitimate (for all the many reasons both sides have posted for the last couple of years), but as I said last night on the Election thread, the vote is an overwhelming mandate for Brexit.

Let's get it done.
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I would agree with that now we know exactly what deal is on offer and the public have still gone for it. However doubt whether they've read the withdrawal agreement, realised how long trade talks and real Brexit might take, or the realise effects on economy/living standards e.g. an equivalent 10% cut in wages. The political price could be very high if it doesn't work out.

However they've made their choice, move on. .
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Old 13-12-2019, 17:18   #1924
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I would agree with that now we know exactly what deal is on offer and the public have still gone for it. However doubt whether they've read the withdrawal agreement, realised how long trade talks and real Brexit might take, or the realise effects on economy/living standards e.g. an equivalent 10% cut in wages. The political price could be very high if it doesn't work out.

However they've made their choice, move on. .
It was made clear in the election the we would have a trade deal by 2021, and the '10% cut in wages' is a figment of your imagination.

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Despite all the profits of doom, the pound and shares have soared due to the election result.
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Old 13-12-2019, 17:29   #1925
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It was made clear in the election the we would have a trade deal by 2021, and the '10% cut in wages' is a figment of your imagination.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/av...o-deal-brexit/

Trade deals take time, no one can guarantee it for a particular date.
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It was made clear in the election the we would have a trade deal by 2021, and the '10% cut in wages' is a figment of your imagination.

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Despite all the profits of doom, the pound and shares have soared due to the election result.
Was "profits of doom" a Freudian slip?
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

The "deal" on offer is only meant to be a transitional one. Negotiations on that couldn't start until Article 50 was triggered, and that couldn't happen until after the referendum. Any future ongoing deal can only start to be negotiated once we've left the EU, ie start of hard Brexit or start of WA.
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Old 13-12-2019, 19:04   #1928
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https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/av...o-deal-brexit/

Trade deals take time, no one can guarantee it for a particular date.
That 10% assumed a no-deal Brexit. Boris has stated categorically that he will get a trade deal by 2021.

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Was "profits of doom" a Freudian slip?
Ha ha! That was quite accidental! Funny, though...
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That 10% assumed a no-deal Brexit. Boris has stated categorically that he will get a trade deal by 2021.

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Ha ha! That was quite accidental! Funny, though...
Hopefully a good one...
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Hopefully a good one...
I can't quite understand why a common assumption of the remainers is that we would voluntarily enter into a bad deal.
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I can't quite understand why a common assumption of the remainers is that we would voluntarily enter into a bad deal.
We’re all leavers now...

It’s not an assumption, but since we have stated to the other side in the negotiations that it must be completed by a certain arbitrary date, it gives them leverage - no one willingly enters into a bad deal, but if the deal is less favourable than what we have now, it’s a bad deal.

I want a good deal, as that’s what’s best for our country,
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Weíre all leavers now...

Itís not an assumption, but since we have stated to the other side in the negotiations that it must be completed by a certain arbitrary date, it gives them leverage - no one willingly enters into a bad deal, but if the deal is less favourable than what we have now, itís a bad deal.

I want a good deal, as thatís whatís best for our country,
We have the leverage. The EU export more to us than we do to them - it is in their interests, as well as ours, to get a good deal. The time limit will concentrate minds.

We already meet all the standards and specifications required for trading with the EU, so 12 months is certainly do-able and I see no reason why we should not get an acceptable outcome.

We need to get a lot more positive about this and stop keep assuming the worst.
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Weíre all leavers now...

Itís not an assumption, but since we have stated to the other side in the negotiations that it must be completed by a certain arbitrary date, it gives them leverage - no one willingly enters into a bad deal, but if the deal is less favourable than what we have now, itís a bad deal.

I want a good deal, as thatís whatís best for our country,
How does it give them leverage? Don't forget no deal is still on the table.
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How does it give them leverage? Don't forget no deal is still on the table.
44% of our exports go to the EU. However the UK only represents 8% of EU exports. That's why they have the upper hand in any negotiations.

'No Deal' is more if a threat for the EU to use against us than the other way round. However it would damage both which is why it won't happen.
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44% of our exports go to the EU. However the UK only represents 8% of EU exports. That's why they have the upper hand in any negotiations.

'No Deal' is more if a threat for the EU to use against us than the other way round. However it would damage both which is why it won't happen.

Got any figures for Imports from the EU and how those will have an effect if they won't deal?
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