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Old 10-08-2019, 15:35   #3001
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Political discourse is poisonous all over the world, that’s not unique to Scotland either.

If people don’t feel the SNP are appropriately governing there’s a process for that and it’s up to the Scottish Labour Party, Lib Dems or Conservatives to offer a progressive alternative vision for Scotland other than a Union Flag to appeal to a certain proportion of the population that would be more at home in the DUP.

The British Parliament is neither decisive nor offering good governance. So I’m unsure how to address point two.

Not commencing social upheaval due to wafer thin mandates, as opposed to decisive ones, is an interesting concept. I’ll give it that.
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Old 11-08-2019, 18:12   #3002
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Poor boy, you really have no idea how the SNP operates, do you?
Everything SNP do fails the people of Scotland. We all do not want Indy2 she had her chance and cannot except it, N S things if it is not her way she is not playing, Cannot stand her or her policies, I am Scottish and British,
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Replying to a post in the Brexit Development (post #2009) discussions, but posting it here to keep that thread "on topic".

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Six Labour MPs voted for the bill, and it looks like around 30 abstained, in defiance of Corbyn who, even now, still doesn’t understand that there is a clear democratic mandate not only for Brexit, but to stop dithering and get it done. The rest of the PLP, apparently equally delusional as their lame duck leader, followed his whip and voted against.

---------- Post added at 15:37 ---------- Previous post was at 15:19 ----------

Update ... 25 formal Labour abstentions, five shadow ministers failed to show up and did not have permission to be absent. One brand new Labour MP seems to have missed the vote by accident. What a shower of incompetents and moral cowards.
So if Wee Jimmie Crankie gets 46% of the Scottish vote and a majority of the seats in the May 2021 Scottish Parliament election, will she have a "clear democratic mandate" for independence, considering that will be the main thing in their manifesto?

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Old 20-12-2019, 17:49   #3004
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Replying to a post in the Brexit Development (post #2009) discussions, but posting it here to keep that thread "on topic".

So if Wee Jimmie Crankie gets 46% of the Scottish vote and a majority of the seats in the May 2021 Scottish Parliament election, will she have a "clear democratic mandate" for independence, considering that will be the main thing in their manifesto?

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If the SNP run with an Independence vote in their manifesto, and they convincingly win, they have a mandate for a vote. However democracy is a moveable feast Hugh; you can be sure different 'Boris' rules apply. Just a matter of time, and Brexit has shifted the odds in favour of the nationalists.

Interestingly a Yorkshire Nationalist stood in my constituency (and got a respectable vote). I was very tempted
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Old 20-12-2019, 17:51   #3005
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

The Remain/Better Together/Unionist campaign needs to start planning now for the next referendum because we have to assume it's going to happen. Nationalists will be planning now, the SNP is effectively a continuous campaign, whereas Unionists tend to have the issue down their pack of priorities only kicking into gear when the threat becomes immediate.
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Old 20-12-2019, 19:23   #3006
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The Remain/Better Together/Unionist campaign needs to start planning now for the next referendum because we have to assume it's going to happen. Nationalists will be planning now, the SNP is effectively a continuous campaign, whereas Unionists tend to have the issue down their pack of priorities only kicking into gear when the threat becomes immediate.
There is a well established cross-party unionist campaign in Scotland. It just rarely gets any airtime south of the border.

https://www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/
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Old 20-12-2019, 19:27   #3007
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Love to know how many of the SNP's "successes" are purely down to the excess money they get from England? How much of it, is pure Scottish "grown".
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Old 20-12-2019, 19:37   #3008
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Replying to a post in the Brexit Development (post #2009) discussions, but posting it here to keep that thread "on topic".

So if Wee Jimmie Crankie gets 46% of the Scottish vote and a majority of the seats in the May 2021 Scottish Parliament election, will she have a "clear democratic mandate" for independence, considering that will be the main thing in their manifesto?

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Hugh, you really do love superficial similarities a bit too much.

The once-in-a-generation referendum was held in 2014 and we all participated in good faith. The outcome was ‘no’, and as the constitution remains a reserved issue we now expect the UK government to ensure the result is respected.

The Holyrood Parliament is not a sovereign institution; it legislates on devolved matters and the Scottish government exercises devolved powers. In the light of the result of the once-in-a-generation 2014 referendum, nothing in any manifesto that makes promises or assertions that go beyond Holyrood’s legislative remit need be entertained.

Of course the SNP wants another referendum - that’s why they exist, and after all they lost the last one. None of that justifies continuing referendums until the ‘right’ result comes along. The same basic principle underpins the Tory approach to Brexit as well as the matter of a second Scottish referendum.

Incidentally, it is very unlikely she would get a majority in Holyrood on 46%, though the useful idiots in the Scottish Greens abandoned their own 2016 manifesto commitment not to support another referendum without major, explicit public backing and voted for one in this parliament so it has to be assumed they would do so again.
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Old 14-01-2020, 12:30   #3009
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

As widely trailed and fully expected, Boris has sent Nicoliar homeward to think again:

https://order-order.com/2020/01/14/r...endum-request/
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Old 14-01-2020, 12:55   #3010
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Too right. It's time for everyone to stick together and get through the mess of Brexit before anything else.

I also noted his dog at Sturgeon and the SNP with their focus on Independence rather than running the country properly.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Fed up with Nicola and her party, Scotland can never go it alone , Scotland is failing on schools ,hospitals housing etc and the certainly could not run Scotland on its own, We all need each other as one whole Britain, Too much hatred in the the SNP we do not want a division, We love our English friends and families and we do not want borders etc,
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Too right. It's time for everyone to stick together and get through the mess of Brexit before anything else.

I also noted his dog at Sturgeon and the SNP with their focus on Independence rather than running the country properly.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

... but the pixie in me says "sod them if they want to leave the UK".
I would then expect lessons learned from the Brexit negotiations to apply.
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... but the pixie in me says "sod them if they want to leave the UK".
I would then expect lessons learned from the Brexit negotiations to apply.
But “they” don’t.

The SNP’s support in last month’s election was 45%. Perhaps that number seems familiar.
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I wonder what the SNP vote would look like if they had to live within their means, ie deficit of less than 3%, rather than 8%. How would they cope with such a big drop in spending?
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