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Old 07-08-2019, 19:19   #2971
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Polls like this come around from time to time and have done so for many years. Boris-Brexit may be the pretext for this one but it hasnít been for any of the past ones and wonít be in future. The vast, vast majority of polls, taken over many years, are no, no and no.

Scottish politics can be quite nuanced and is frequently misunderstood by those who do not follow it closely (and that is quite hard to do without living here).

Pollsters frequently pick issues which they know will enrage sufficient numbers of Scottish voters and run an independence poll in the immediate aftermath. An upswing in support for independence always makes good headlines, especially during the summer silly season when little else is happening.

But the underlying sentiment hasnít changed. When people are confronted with the actual issues and severe difficulties of independence, rather than the latest Tory bogeyman, then a comfortable majority of them remain supportive of the union.
You only need to win the right poll, once, and that's it for ALL ETERNITY.
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Old 07-08-2019, 19:41   #2972
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

True - but we won the right poll in 2014. And Alex and Nicola helpfully, at the time, not only described it as a “once in a generation “ event but also willingly participated in a process which acknowledged Westminster’s continuing supremacy in constitutional issues. So they can whinge all they like but they can’t have another one without permission.
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You only need to win the right poll, once, and that's it for ALL ETERNITY.
Unless the vote indicates the electorate wants Brexit! Then you keep running it over and over until they vote the 'right' way.

A referendum should be viewed as an instruction to government as to the direction they want it to proceed. Once done, it's up to the Government to get on with it.

Referendums should be used very sparingly and should not become the norm.We elect politicians to make decisions on our behalf. The Scots have made their decision. Now it should be honoured. The SNP should be concentrating on increasing their devolved powers, not going for independence.
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Old 08-08-2019, 08:51   #2974
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Unless the vote indicates the electorate wants Brexit! Then you keep running it over and over until they vote the 'right' way.

A referendum should be viewed as an instruction to government as to the direction they want it to proceed. Once done, it's up to the Government to get on with it.

Referendums should be used very sparingly and should not become the norm.We elect politicians to make decisions on our behalf. The Scots have made their decision. Now it should be honoured. The SNP should be concentrating on increasing their devolved powers, not going for independence.
Referendums should be used when a matter necessitates it. If Scotland continually backs an SNP Government with that in its manifesto that's literally the will of the people. They have the mandate to run one every single day of the year until people get bored and vote for someone else.

That's democracy.

What you want the SNP to do, as an English person living in England, is entirely irrelevant to the matter.
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Old 08-08-2019, 09:04   #2975
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Referendums should be used when a matter necessitates it. If Scotland continually backs an SNP Government with that in its manifesto that's literally the will of the people. They have the mandate to run one every single day of the year until people get bored and vote for someone else.

That's democracy.

What you want the SNP to do, as an English person living in England, is entirely irrelevant to the matter.
That's not democracy. That's chaos.

If the SNP get a landslide majority of three-quarters of the voting electorate to go independent, that should be enough for them to petition the government for independence.

Referendums every day? What are you on? You just like to be perverse.
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:30   #2976
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Wonder why this has suddenly become topical again? What could possibly be causing the UK to break up ? Answers on a postcard......
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:01   #2977
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That's not democracy. That's chaos.

If the SNP get a landslide majority of three-quarters of the voting electorate to go independent, that should be enough for them to petition the government for independence.

Referendums every day? What are you on? You just like to be perverse.
If people vote for the SNP they get to decide. That's politics in Edinburgh just as much as in London. If people want something else they should vote for someone else.

I don't know why it has to be a "landslide". Nobody uses that threshold to stop a Conservative manifesto on 40 per cent of the vote and minority of seats.

If you want to look at chaos look at London since June 2016.

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Old 08-08-2019, 14:14   #2978
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Labour being in favour of Scottish independence is more than a bit sinister. Overnight they would lose a large chunk of their UK electorate and it would make it less likely they would be in UK Government again. What are they planning to put in place for eternity, that could never be overturned? No other possible motive for it.


A huge downside to a no-deal Brexit is that it leaves it open for Corbyn to make a nasty deal with the EU that we could never get out of or even change.
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Old 08-08-2019, 14:42   #2979
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Labour being in favour of Scottish independence is more than a bit sinister. Overnight they would lose a large chunk of their UK electorate and it would make it less likely they would be in UK Government again. What are they planning to put in place for eternity, that could never be overturned? No other possible motive for it.


A huge downside to a no-deal Brexit is that it leaves it open for Corbyn to make a nasty deal with the EU that we could never get out of or even change.
In fairness they aren't saying they are in favour of independence they're saying the decision on whether to hold a vote (or not) should be made in Edinburgh. It's a fairly uncontroversial notion, really. Especially if, as everyone keeps saying, there's no appetite for Scottish independence.
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Old 08-08-2019, 18:42   #2980
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Sick of the word Independence, We need to be all together as one nation. We could never survive on our own, I believe N S only cares about being the one to go down in history for breaking up Britain, There are plenty in Scotland think the same,
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Sick of the word Independence, We need to be all together as one nation. We could never survive on our own, I believe N S only cares about being the one to go down in history for breaking up Britain, There are plenty in Scotland think the same,
Up to the Scottish people not politicians. Anyway,
we're breaking up from Europe, so why can't Scotland break away from the UK if they want? We could call it Scexit...

Really don't think the Brexit brigade have thought through all the consequences, Scottish independence being more likely is one.
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Up to the Scottish people not politicians. Anyway,
we're breaking up from Europe, so why can't Scotland break away from the UK if they want? We could call it Scexit...

Really don't think the Brexit brigade have thought through all the consequences, Scottish independence being more likely is one.
We get to keep the excess billions we currently send to Scotland, and then there is the money to come from the huge divorce bill. How is Scotland going to reduce their massive deficit? Deal with hard borders and tariffs with everywhere including England. The list goes on and on.
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We get to keep the excess billions we currently send to Scotland, and then there is the money to come from the huge divorce bill. How is Scotland going to reduce their massive deficit? Deal with hard borders and tariffs with everywhere including England. The list goes on and on.
Up to them though, not you, unless you're Scottish

They might do something radical like joining a bigger Union than the UK...
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We get to keep the excess billions we currently send to Scotland, and then there is the money to come from the huge divorce bill. How is Scotland going to reduce their massive deficit? Deal with hard borders and tariffs with everywhere including England. The list goes on and on.
If any of thatís true why would you want Scotland to stay?

Why not just say, oh well, good luck lads?
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Wonder why this has suddenly become topical again? What could possibly be causing the UK to break up ? Answers on a postcard......
Poor boy, you really have no idea how the SNP operates, do you?
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