UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Referendum
24-07-2020, 15:13
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Originally Posted by Mick
News Paper stories don't cut it for me and never have.
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whilst everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt newspapers have a responsibility to report the news and it will be based on fact with sources and "evidence" to back it up. Most news outlets, paper or tv, have a rule that they have to have two independent verifiable sources before they will report a story. The only one I know that only requires one source is Sky News.
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Note when I say evidence, I mean evidence that the accused have been charged and convicted of a criminal offence
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being convicted of a criminal offence isn't evidence of wrong doing, it is judicial process of holding somebody to account for breaking the law and "evidence" such as that of what journalists collate to report the news is used to prove the prosecutions argument. Just because somebody hasn't been caught and prosecuted for a crime doesn't mean that they are not guilty of it or did not commit the crime. In contrast, we are all too well aware that in countries like North Korea, Russia and Iran people are convicted of crimes without any evidence at all so does the fact that they have been convicted because a judge said "you did it" mean that is sufficient "evidence" for you of a crime?
Btw, if I won the euromillions I would happily pay £135,000 for some quality one on one time with Bojo.
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24-07-2020, 15:24
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Originally Posted by General Maximus
being convicted of a criminal offence isn't evidence of wrong doing, it is judicial process of holding somebody to account for breaking the law and "evidence" such as that of what journalists collate to report the news is used to prove the prosecutions argument. Just because somebody hasn't been caught and prosecuted for a crime doesn't mean that they are not guilty of it or did not commit the crime. In contrast, we are all too well aware that in countries like North Korea, Russia and Iran people are convicted of crimes without any evidence at all so does the fact that they have been convicted because a judge said "you did it" mean that is sufficient "evidence" for you of a crime?
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You need to study law and as the law applies to this country, the UK, I couldn't give a toss about North Korea or how Russia applies theirs, this is not the topic.
Have we forgot around here that in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty?
My point stands, you cannot label someone or an entity criminals, unless those parties have been convicted and sentenced appropriately. You infer that someone is a criminal when they have not faced a judicial judgement, then you and others open yourselves up to libel claims.
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24-07-2020, 15:36
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Originally Posted by Mick
You need to study law and as the law applies to this country, the UK, I couldn't give a toss about North Korea or how Russia applies theirs, this is not the topic.
Have we forgot around here that in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty?
My point stands, you cannot label someone or an entity criminals, unless those parties have been convicted and sentenced appropriately. You infer that someone is a criminal when they have not faced a judicial judgement, then you and others open yourselves up to libel claims.
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Errm, Hilary Clinton? You didn't apply the same criteria there, and she was never even charged with anything !
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24-07-2020, 15:45
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Originally Posted by Mr K
Errm, Hilary Clinton? You didn't apply the same criteria there, and she was never even charged with anything !
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Yes by a bent investigation by bent cops in the FBI.
I am certain, I have never labelled her a "criminal", on the other hand, yes I have used and continue to use "Crooked" as in "evil", "dishonest", absolutely.
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24-07-2020, 16:03
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Yes by a bent investigation by bent cops in the FBI.
I am certain, I have never labelled her a "criminal", on the other hand, yes I have used and continue to use "Crooked" as in "evil", "dishonest", absolutely.
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In your opinion or as the result of a criminal conviction of said 'bent cops'?
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24-07-2020, 16:28
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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In your opinion or as the result of a criminal conviction of said 'bent cops'?
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A DOJ investigation is still ongoing, I couldn't possibly speak beyond the scope of their investigation(s). Though those bent cops are no longer in their professions due to their transgressions that killed their careers in their tracks.
Mr K, playing stupid games are we, I ain't dancing to your warped tune(s).
Back on topic.
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24-07-2020, 21:52
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Would it be better if we started buying into/investing in Russian businesses in order to help our economy somewhat, and maybe lessen their need to spy on us?
or would they carry on spying on us (everybody) anyway?
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They'll spy anyway. It's the difference between trading on their terms and on ours.
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25-07-2020, 00:50
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
Since when didn't we realise they spy on us and we spy on them? The UK set up the first ever spy network allegedly, guess who against?( OK Germany first Russia second)
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25-07-2020, 13:12
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
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Since when didn't we realise they spy on us and we spy on them? The UK set up the first ever spy network allegedly, guess who against?( OK Germany first Russia second)
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Spying is seen as more acceptable than social media farms, donations to political parties and poisonings though.
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25-07-2020, 17:59
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Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
We live in a world where spying on you and your activities, gathering info on your lifestyle and preferences, and attempts to lead you by the nose through every day are common.
Those pesky Ruskies are only part of it
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