12-03-2019, 20:33
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Damien
I have no patience for the ERG at all. Cowards.
The truth is any deal will require concessions and pain. They went though the referendum and spend the last three years since talking up a Brexit that was never on the table. German car manufactures will force a great deal for us, we have all the cards, we'll replicate the trade deals the EU has easily and we'll have more money from day one.
They were never going to vote for any deal because they don't want to get their hands dirty. I think secretly they want this deal to pass but they wanted it to pass without their votes so they can cry treachery and claim their utopia was thwarted by Parliament.
They would rather risk their entire project than have to have any responsibility for it. If Brexit doesn't happen then Leavers can they can blame Remainers but they can also blame each ERG member who, when it was within their grasp, voted No.
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So true. These cowards, No Deal chancers, may just have voted away their Brexit. I hope so ..
Remain MP's voted for May's Brexit yet these fools, who have bleated for years about leaving the EU, voted against leaving. History will judge the Tories harshly and will reserve specific ridicule for the ERG.
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12-03-2019, 20:33
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Re: Brexit
Majority voted to leave and leave we should if no deal is the only option left then that is what we should go for.
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12-03-2019, 20:35
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Gavin78
Majority voted to leave and leave we should if no deal is the only option left then that is what we should go for.
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But it isn’t the only option left.
If it was the only option left, they wouldn’t be having a vote tomorrow- it would just happen.
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12-03-2019, 20:51
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Well what option is there? TM deal got voted down holding and extension will gain what? They've already said have the EU there is not more to talk about
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12-03-2019, 21:09
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Re: Brexit
If the EU and the Remain side hadn't been so persistently obstructive, what is in the withdrawal agreement could've be set up a year earlier. There is nothing that is Brexit related in it. It specifies continued freedom of movement and continued following of EU rules. At least that would've given more time to prepare.
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12-03-2019, 21:41
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Gavin78
Majority voted to leave and leave we should if no deal is the only option left then that is what we should go for.
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it not only option and it be voted down tomorrow by parliament
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12-03-2019, 21:48
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Dave42
it not only option and it be voted down tomorrow by parliament
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Tomorrow’s vote is indicative. Even if they indicate they don’t want no deal, no deal can still happen unless the EU withdrawal Act is at least partially repealed. Repeal is not on the agenda tomorrow.
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12-03-2019, 22:04
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by Chris
Tomorrow’s vote is indicative. Even if they indicate they don’t want no deal, no deal can still happen unless the EU withdrawal Act is at least partially repealed. Repeal is not on the agenda tomorrow.
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But delay is, because if they vote against no deal tomorrow, there will be a vote on Thursday about delaying Brexit, and then there are a number of possible options.
From the BBC
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12-03-2019, 22:05
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Re: Brexit
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But delay is, because if they vote against no deal tomorrow, there will be a vote on Thursday about delaying Article 50, and then there are a number of possible options.
From the BBC
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I know - I’m answering the narrow point that seems to have confused some people. No Deal will not be ruled out tomorrow.
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12-03-2019, 22:27
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Re: Brexit
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But it isn’t the only option left.
If it was the only option left, they wouldn’t be having a vote tomorrow- it would just happen.
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What other option is there that delivers on the result of the referendum, Hugh? I haven’t heard of one yet.
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12-03-2019, 22:31
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Re: Brexit
May deal comes back a third time I guess
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12-03-2019, 22:37
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Re: Brexit
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May deal comes back a third time I guess
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Well, exactly. It’s either Theresa May’s deal or no deal in the end. There’s nowhere else to go and time has almost run out.
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12-03-2019, 22:47
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Re: Brexit
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What other option is there that delivers on the result of the referendum, Hugh? I haven’t heard of one yet.
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Jezza has a few ideas. They may align to your notions of Brexit. Or they may not.
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12-03-2019, 22:56
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Re: Brexit
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Jezza has a few ideas. They may align to your notions of Brexit. Or they may not.
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They clearly do not as his proposal would not amount to leaving the EU. How would we be able to make trade deals under his proposition?
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12-03-2019, 23:08
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Re: Brexit
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They clearly do not as his proposal would not amount to leaving the EU. How would we be able to make trade deals under his proposition?
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They would amount to leaving the EU, that's not in dispute. But his ideas about a future relationship with the EU would differ from yours.
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Originally Posted by ianch99
So true. These cowards, No Deal chancers, may just have voted away their Brexit. I hope so ..
Remain MP's voted for May's Brexit yet these fools, who have bleated for years about leaving the EU, voted against leaving. History will judge the Tories harshly and will reserve specific ridicule for the ERG.
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Totally agree. If they had any integrity, they would be picking up the baton and challenging May long ago.
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