President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

All this talk of ‘witch hunts’.

Benghazi: 4 year investigation no indictments.
Clinton emails: 2 year investigation no indictments.
Mueller investigation: 14 months 23 indictments.

For clarity:
23 warlocks* have been indicted.
4 warlocks are cooperating.
5 warlocks have plead guilty

*warlocks are male, witches are female

And in advance of a number of replies...

Looks like Trump is about to announce the deal with Iran will be torn up. The UK and French governments have been lobbying hard against it but doesn't appear as it has worked. Although the NY Times are pointing out that the sanctions take a while to come into effect and so there might be time afterwards to deal (as with NAFTA, as with China and steel tariffs).

Originally Posted by Hugh

All this talk of ‘witch hunts’.

Benghazi: 4 year investigation no indictments.
Clinton emails: 2 year investigation no indictments.
Mueller investigation: 14 months 23 indictments.

Keep venting the same misleading nonsense, Hugh. It does not mean it’s correct.

Clearly Shoddy investigative work by bent officials in the FBI are why a certain Email investigation had no indictments, why do you think the OIG has spent well over a year investigating that shoddy investigation?

As for the Mueller Investigation, non of those indictments link back to any wrong doing by Trump, so don’t try to mislead by saying there are 23 indictments from Mueller team.

The Mueller Investigation that seems out of control and pointless given there was no Collusion except by the DNC and Clinton campaign, who paid for the Steele Dossier, information said to be from Russians, a fact you keep conveniently ignoring. Dodgy FISA Warrants signed mostly by Obama appointees in DOJ and FBI. Finally a Federal Judge rebukes Muellers team, for the lies and unfettered power they seem to have and should not!

Funny how you are anti Federal Judges when they disagree with Trump, but a big supporter when they agree...

How about 7 Republican-led Benghazi enquiries - was that shoddy work by the Republican investigators?

Re the Mueller investigation - there are 23 indictments, including a number on people who were in the Trump Election Campaign team, and one for someone who was a member of Trump's Government; let's wait until Trump has his interview with Mueller before we make any conclusions, eh?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/772022...ler-didnt-well

The White House legal team has been preparing President Trump for a possible interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller on the chance that the two sides reach an agreement in the coming weeks, The Wall Street Journal reports. In a four-hour practice session, though, lawyers were only able to get through two questions with the president due to "the frequent interruptions on national security matters along with Mr. Trump's loquaciousness," the Journal writes. Mueller has more than four dozen questions prepared for Trump.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Funny how you are anti Federal Judges when they disagree with Trump, but a big supporter when they agree...

Nothing funny about it at all. You are wrong, as per usual.

The so called Democrat appointed Federal Judges, who blocked the travel ban Executive Orders, were at fault, the President of the United States, has the constitutional authority to block entry to the U.S from those Countries that were on the dangerous list, compiled by the Obama team. That’s why the U.S Supreme Court overruled the lower courts and put most parts of Trump’s EO back in to order.

Originally Posted by Hugh

]How about 7 Republican-led Benghazi enquiries - was that shoddy work by the Republican investigators?

Was a Special Counsel sought for that case?

Don’t think it was. Congressional lawmakers, who are the investigators, don’t have prosecutorial powers, there are many unanswered questions surrounding that attack and even one of the victims mothers, said Hillary lied, told her one thing in public and another thing in a email that was obtained by Wikileaks.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Re the Mueller investigation - there are 23 indictments, including a number on people who were in the Trump Election Campaign team, and one for someone who was a member of Trump's Government; let's wait until Trump has his interview with Mueller before we make any conclusions, eh?

Hmm that would be Manafort, non of his indictments link to any Collusion. Michael Flynn, didn’t a recently unredacted report show FBI felt Flynn didn’t lie to FBI investigators? (One of whom was Bent Agent Peter Strzok who interviewed Flynn)

You should also be aware Mueller has for the second time, held off requesting a court hearing for the Flynn case, there is also the issue of the recent Brady violation, Mueller potentially suppressed evidence favourable to a defendant, that violates due process, oh and that Flynn indictment, bears no relevance to Russian collusion on Trump.

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Associated Press are reporting that President Donald Trump is set to announce that the U.S will pull out of the Iran deal.

[1andrew1]

Trump has announced the withdrawal.

The Five Stages of Trump.

1. It's a total lie, never happened, fake news.
2. It happened, but it's not a big deal. A Nothing Burger
3. Ok, it might be a big deal, but it isn't illegal..so who cares.
4. Ok, it's illegal, but Crooked Hillary and Obummer did "something worse", so it's ok.
5. Get over it Snowflake Libtard, Cupcake, you're just a sore loser!

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Trump has announced the withdrawal.

Well, now we see what he has planned next.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Trump has announced the withdrawal.

There’s a shocker, “Promises made, promises kept.”

ITV just raised a point. What will happen to countries (such as the UK) if we continue to trade with Iran? He says he'll apply sanctions on anyone who helps Iran with their nuclear power programme, which we assume they'll start again, but does that include trading non-nuclear related stuff that none-the-less helps them indirectly?

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Of course the other possibility is the other signatories maintain the deal and Iran is content with that and doesn't restart the program...

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France, UK and Germany will be staying. No word on Russia and China or Iran yet.

[Stephen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44045957

US President Donald Trump says he will withdraw the US from an Obama-era nuclear agreement with Iran.

Calling it "decaying and rotten", he said the deal was "an embarrassment" to him "as a citizen".

Going against advice from European allies, he said he would reimpose economic sanctions that were waived when the deal was signed in 2015.

In response, Iran said it was preparing to restart uranium enrichment, key for making both nuclear energy and weapons.

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani said: "The US has announced that it doesn't respect its commitments.

"I have ordered the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran to be ready to start the enrichment of uranium at industrial levels."

[Arthurgray50@blu]

When will people learn. Trump is NOT a politican. He is a business man. He doesn't have a clue on how to run a country.

He has looked at what is happening, and is breaking every agreement possible. If it doesn't make money for America. He will pull out.

I was reading American Newspaper. Most of American towns that have Trump this or that. Want it removed as it is tarnishing the country.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

There’s a shocker, “Promises made, promises kept.”

In a way not as the USA has broken an agreement. It does not set a great precedent for future agreements the country might make.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

When will people learn. Trump is NOT a politican. He is a business man. He doesn't have a clue on how to run a country.

He has looked at what is happening, and is breaking every agreement possible. If it doesn't make money for America. He will pull out.

I was reading American Newspaper. Most of American towns that have Trump this or that. Want it removed as it is tarnishing the country.

When will you learn Arthur to stop reading crap in every newspaper?

You read everything without actually ever thinking for yourself.

It is absolute rubbish Arthur, if he doesn't know how to run a country, I'd hate to see others really try their hardest to get the job numbers up, economy improving etc etc, all of which is happening under President Trump.

This Iran deal was terrible, it was not ever passed by Congress because it was NOT a popular arrangement, even some Democrats opposed it, Obama feared he would lose if it passed through Congress, that's why he did not even try, but as for the deal as it stood...Billions of $$ handed over, sanctions lifted for what?

For Iran to improve it's economic prospects and be allowed to still make Nuclear weapons (In Secret) and use them by 2025.

Iran was not remotely interested in Peace, that was a blatant lie, that was obvious by the State sponsored terrorism, Iran was and is currently involved in.

The Iranians are not our friends, yet we would rather side with them than the current occupant of the White House, it is Trump derangement syndrome, yet again.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

In a way not as the USA has broken an agreement. It does not set a great precedent for future agreements the country might make.

I don't agree.

President Obama should have got the Iran deal passed through Congress, but because he knew it was not popular, there was even Democrats against it, he did not do it.

Trump is not an appeaser, that is perfectly obvious, given the fact that Macron and Merkel went to the U.S just weeks ago, trying to convince Trump to stay in the deal.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

For Iran to improve its economic prospects and be allowed to still make nuclear weapons (In secret) and use them by 2025.

The IAEA inspectors said otherwise. Are you getting your intel from Tony Blair's Iraq weapons inspectors?

Originally Posted by Mick

Trump is not an appeaser, that is perfectly obvious, given the fact that Macron and Merkel went to the U.S just weeks ago, trying to convince Trump to stay in the deal.

If he's not an appeaser, why did he hand over $130k to Stormy Daniels?