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Old 30-03-2018, 00:57   #1
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VM EPG

Had a V6 installed (by me) last weekend and all's well, except I notice that the EPG for some channels (BBC4 C4 E4 More4 and the plethora of the ITVs) only shows a week ahead today and after that says 'to be announced' - so some planned recordings aren't showing either. I'll be needing to set up some more recordings for next weekend (by Monday) so does anyone know if there's an issue? I'm connected to the router by ethernet cable, and everything else seems to be listed.
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Old 30-03-2018, 04:31   #2
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Re: VM EPG

There's an issue, it's not your box or anything that you've done wrong during installation.

The only way round it if it doesn't update in time is to set some manual recordings.
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Old 30-03-2018, 08:42   #3
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There's not an issue - it is normal.

Most of the major channels only release their schedule 8 days before the new week - so it is normal to only have schedules up to next Friday for those channels (BBC / ITV etc.)

Other channels release 3-6 weeks ahead so they'll will be complete but most likely subject to change.
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Re: VM EPG

Thanks for the replies - it seems they have been updated overnight. However a series link set for Fridays is now missing out next week's episode but the following week's is there - so a regular check seems to be in order.
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However a series link set for Fridays is now missing out next week's episode but the following week's is there
What series & channel is that? If you look in Recording Hiccups, it might tell you why it is planning not to record it.
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Thanks for the replies - it seems they have been updated overnight. However a series link set for Fridays is now missing out next week's episode but the following week's is there - so a regular check seems to be in order.
Good Friday affecting things? Eg Gadget show on Channel 5.
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What series & channel is that? If you look in Recording Hiccups, it might tell you why it is planning not to record it.
Thanks - it's NCIS channel 199 Fox - Series link marked to record tonight and in a fortnight, but next week's isn't so I've had to manually set it.

It seems our recording hiccups only goes backwards ..
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Thanks - it's NCIS channel 199 Fox - Series link marked to record tonight and in a fortnight, but next week's isn't so I've had to manually set it.

It seems our recording hiccups only goes backwards ..
Looking at the EPG the 6th Apr episode isn't tagged as being a new episode. That is why it is missing.
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Looking at the EPG the 6th Apr episode isn't tagged as being a new episode. That is why it is missing.
Ah! Great researching. Thanks. Need to watch out for that then ...
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The NEW flag has nothing to do with the logic of the recording of NEW programmes.

NEW recordings are based on the air date.

In any case the episode at 9pm on Friday 6th April is a repeat. The episode is actually on for the first time on 5th April.
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There's not an issue - it is normal.

Most of the major channels only release their schedule 8 days before the new week - so it is normal to only have schedules up to next Friday for those channels (BBC / ITV etc.)

Other channels release 3-6 weeks ahead so they'll will be complete but most likely subject to change.
Ahh right, not noticed this until recently. This also explains why I get dummy programme entries that end up in 'Recording Hiccups' because they are later replaced with the correct programming.

There's a drama on ITV that keeps being listed (Girlfriends) despite having ended. Also, on ITV3 On The Buses and George and Mildred keep appearing and then replaced. You can tell such entries are false and delete them as the synopsis is always generic.

Sometimes Viacom list Impractical Jokers for hours at a time until they have decided what to show; it's annoying as it makes you think that actual recordings have failed!

---------- Post added at 15:03 ---------- Previous post was at 15:00 ----------

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Thanks - it's NCIS channel 199 Fox - Series link marked to record tonight and in a fortnight, but next week's isn't so I've had to manually set it.

It seems our recording hiccups only goes backwards ..
I've sometimes found advance recordings in 'Recording Hiccups' nearer to the scheduled time to be recorded. It's usually due to a clash that I am able to rectify.

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The NEW flag has nothing to do with the logic of the recording of NEW programmes.

NEW recordings are based on the air date.

In any case the episode at 9pm on Friday 6th April is a repeat. The episode is actually on for the first time on 5th April.
It took me a fair while to realise that 'New Recordings didn't necessarily mean a new programme! The fact that the EPG metadata is sometimes wrong doesn't help.
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The NEW flag is set by the broadcaster to highlight it is NEW. But it can mean NEW to a channel rather the being really NEW.

Some channels don't bother using the NEW flag at all.

Quite often ITV only release the series titles in advance - and then update the episodes later. If no episode is available then TiVo will record it in case it is one you need.

Once the episode is updated then it will drop out of the list if it doesn't match you series link settings.
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Re: VM EPG

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The NEW flag has nothing to do with the logic of the recording of NEW programmes.

NEW recordings are based on the air date.

In any case the episode at 9pm on Friday 6th April is a repeat. The episode is actually on for the first time on 5th April.
There seems to be slapdash checking of the information posted in the EPG. I don't know who is responsible for the accuracy of this, Virgin Media or a third party. Looking through my 'planned programmes' folder I found that the final two episodes of the thriller Beneath the Surface - Saturday on BBC 4 - would not have recorded had I not spotted that they are wrongly labeled as episodes 5 and 6. In fact, they are episodes 7 and 8. The previous 6 episodes are already recorded. I had my preferences set as 'new only'. I corrected my preference to 'new and reruns' and set them to record even though my V6 recognized them as repeats. I would have been annoyed if I missed these.

Less critical is that the final episode of the latest series of the X-Files is wrongly labeled as 'new' on Sunday on Channel 5 when it is a repeat that has already been recorded. I don't know what the V6 would do in this kind of situation, record it or ignore it as the repeat it is.
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Beneath the Surface this weekend (31st Mar) are episodes 5 & 6. They were scheduled for last weekend but got cancelled last minute. Only 4 episodes have so far been broadcast.

Episodes 7 & 8 will be on 7th April.

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There seems to be slapdash checking of the information posted in the EPG. I don't know who is responsible for the accuracy of this, Virgin Media or a third party. Looking through my 'planned programmes' folder I found that the final two episodes of the thriller Beneath the Surface - Saturday on BBC 4 - would not have recorded had I not spotted that they are wrongly labeled as episodes 5 and 6. In fact, they are episodes 7 and 8. The previous 6 episodes are already recorded. I had my preferences set as 'new only'. I corrected my preference to 'new and reruns' and set them to record even though my V6 recognized them as repeats. I would have been annoyed if I missed these.
As already said - the NEW flag is nothing to do with the recording logic. If you TiVo has already record that episode then the recording logic is it is NOT NEW.
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Less critical is that the final episode of the latest series of the X-Files is wrongly labeled as 'new' on Sunday on Channel 5 when it is a repeat that has already been recorded. I don't know what the V6 would do in this kind of situation, record it or ignore it as the repeat it is.
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Re: VM EPG

I have 2 V6 boxes - I set a recording for Scarlets v La Rochelle rugby match on my downstairs box.

Just before 5.25 I thought I would start watching it, but the recording (due to start at 4.45) was not happening - still in future recordings list.

My upstairs box was recording it as expected.

I deleted the recording (which interestingly said it was recording, despite not doing so) and reset it - then it started recording ok.

Anyone got any thoughts?
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