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Old 20-09-2020, 23:37   #4036
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Irish unification will happen anyway. The increasing Catholic population will see to that.
Whilst that's my thinking too, one or two Catholic friends in NI say the younger generation can't be counted upon to be nationalist.
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Old 20-09-2020, 23:38   #4037
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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How? Hard border and controls with Scotland and Wales. So much still have to be moved from or through England.
Nothing to stop a customs union between Scotand and England-Wales.
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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If it ends up as England and Wales, would it still be called Great Britain? Genuinely don't know the answer as to what a rump nation could be called.
The Kingdom of Great Britain only existed from 1707 until 1801. It was a unitary state created from the permanent joining of two separate states - England and Scotland.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland came into being in 1801 in a similar way, by the joining of Ireland and Great Britain. Latterly, following partition and a progressive lessening of London’s influence in Irish affairs we find ourselves where we are today, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Without the union between England and Scotland, there is no political entity called Great Britain. A nation state comprising England and Northern Ireland would be the United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland, if the same naming convention used since the 18th century were followed.

A previous Act of Union, in force from 1536, United England and Wales, but unlike the union with Scotland, Wales’ distinctive legal system was not retained and the new unitary state was not renamed in recognition. From 1536, the nation state called “England” effectively included all the territory of Wales (although the world did not understand nation states in the 16th century in the way we do today).
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Old 21-09-2020, 16:17   #4039
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Sensible move but they will need to differentiate their policies from the other parties.
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Liberal Democrats are to drop the party’s commitment to UK membership of the EU in a vote at next weekend’s virtual annual conference, The Independent has learnt.

A resolution, agreed by the party’s federal policy committee on the weekend and likely to dismay some activists, does not make rejoining the EU a formal goal.

Instead, the motion commits the party to “keep all options open” for the UK’s future relationship with the 27-nation bloc in the longer term, including the possibility of rejoining “at an appropriate future date to be determined by political circumstances”.
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Old 21-09-2020, 16:29   #4040
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Sensible move but they will need to differentiate their policies from the other parties.

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Liberal Democrats are to drop the party’s commitment to UK membership of the EU in a vote at next weekend’s virtual annual conference, The Independent has learnt.

A resolution, agreed by the party’s federal policy committee on the weekend and likely to dismay some activists, does not make rejoining the EU a formal goal.

Instead, the motion commits the party to “keep all options open” for the UK’s future relationship with the 27-nation bloc in the longer term, including the possibility of rejoining “at an appropriate future date to be determined by political circumstances”.


Only took 4 years to recognise the referendum result but that seems the norm.

is hell freezing over a political circumstance.
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Old 21-09-2020, 18:36   #4041
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Having a policy of not rejoining the EU, doesn't preclude having policies that sign up to absolutely everything but actual membership.

Have they changed their policy of us having ALL the rules and costs forced upon us without having a say in them? So much for the "Democratic" in "Liberal Democratic Party".
Are we really meant to believe they wouldn't open the floodgates with freedom of movement? That's just for starters.
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

Good to see a Conservative politician stepping up to put country before Party.
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Former Prime Minister Theresa May has said she "cannot support" the government's plan to override parts of its Brexit agreement with the EU.

She told MPs the move, which breaks international law, would damage "trust in the United Kingdom".

The Internal Market Bill will be voted on in the Commons on Tuesday, having passed its first hurdle last week.
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

LOL

Theresa May, the ex PM that didn't have courage or confidence when in office, now starts squeaking from the corner of the room.
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Old 22-09-2020, 00:07   #4044
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Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20

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Good to see a Conservative politician stepping up to put country before Party.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54242235
Even more proof the bill is the right thing to do. Remember she is the one responsible for the whole mess in the first place.
If the EU doesn't agree on the many matters that are part of the NI Protocol, aren't THEY the ones breaking the agreement? There's a lot of "the Joint Committee shall" references in there.
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Even more proof the bill is the right thing to do. Remember she is the one responsible for the whole mess in the first place.
If the EU doesn't agree on the many matters that are part of the NI Protocol, aren't THEY the ones breaking the agreement? There's a lot of "the Joint Committee shall" references in there.
You're right to call out Theresa May for she invoked Article 50 without a plan. But the rot goes back further. David Cameron called the referendum with no plan if the Brexiters won and with just a simple majority which sets a precedent for future devolution referendums.
There's a process within the Agreements to resolve disagreements without unilaterally crossing out the text afterwards that you decide you don't like afterall.
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LOL

Theresa May, the ex PM that didn't have courage or confidence when in office, now starts squeaking from the corner of the room.
She's still on Barnier's team.
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She's still on Barnier's team.
It's possible to be on a team other than Putin's or Barnier's in the Brexit debate.
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It's possible to be on a team other than Putin's or Barnier's in the Brexit debate.
well i'm sure you're right but in Putin's EUSSR there is only one side.
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You're right to call out Theresa May for she invoked Article 50 without a plan. But the rot goes back further. David Cameron called the referendum with no plan if the Brexiters won and with just a simple majority which sets a precedent for future devolution referendums.
There's a process within the Agreements to resolve disagreements without unilaterally crossing out the text afterwards that you decide you don't like afterall.
It's NOT a matter of "unilaterally crossing out the text".
As I have to keep pointing out, there are many NI Protocol matters that are yet to be agreed upon. Mainly of the nature of what IS to be allowed. What on earth is the UK expected to do, in the absence of any agreements? Not send parcels for GB to NI? Supermarkets not able to move goods from GB to NI?
All the bill is about is putting things in place of any ABSENT agreements. I doubt they are going to be that outrageous and objectionable to the EU, but still the EU will object just to be awkward.
Eg if a dangerous wall at risk of collapse needed your neighbours agreement to deal with it, and you were legally obliged to deal with it, but they wouldn't say one way or the other, what should you do? You go ahead and deal with it yourself, taking into account any potential concerns the neighbour might have.
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well i'm sure you're right but in Putin's EUSSR there is only one side.
You mistyped the K.
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