Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That bloody mouse just won’t shut up!

That must make you the pussy...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Perhaps you would like to explain how this data changes anything, given the vaccine rollout.

You are trying desperately to turn this into a political argument. I am not arguing politics. I am arguing that these unprecedented restrictions are destroying people’s businesses, livelihoods and people’s hopes for the future. You are clutching at straws to find any reason you can hold onto to extend their pain, and at any cost.

I am at a loss to explain any motivation other than a purely political or otherwise disruptive reason you may have for this cruelty.

A Conservative Government managing it's way out of a pandemic - "cruelty". Such hyperbolic nonsense.

Again for what must to myself and others feel like is the millionth time the vaccine rollout by virtue of the new variant is behind where it needed to be when the initial road map was published.

Businesses, livelihoods and hopes for the future will be ruined if there's another lockdown because we had to hit the emergency brake for easing restrictions doesn't support it. Not if the Conservative Government - led by science - delays the next step while firing out over 2 million vaccinations a week. Effectively loading the dice in our favour.

Expect masks to remain, working from home to continue at a minimum.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I can quite believe that. Was my cold, which lasted 10 days with some breathing strain if I exerted myself "symptomless" Covid? Or just a cold? I judged the latter so did not isolate nor go for any test.

Oh - just before the goodie two shoe Remainer Lib-Dems jump in, I've had my two doses before the episode I just reported. My point is that the unvaccinated will have had to make the same judgements were they to be suffering strong cold systems.

Tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of People will have done the same over the past 16 months, myself included.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

A Conservative Government managing it's way out of a pandemic - "cruelty". Such hyperbolic nonsense.

Again for what must to myself and others feel like is the millionth time the vaccine rollout by virtue of the new variant is behind where it needed to be when the initial road map was published.

Businesses, livelihoods and hopes for the future will be ruined if there's another lockdown because we had to hit the emergency brake for easing restrictions doesn't support it. Not if the Conservative Government - led by science - delays the next step while firing out over 2 million vaccinations a week. Effectively loading the dice in our favour.

Expect masks to remain, working from home to continue at a minimum.

Except that the government will in fact end these restrictions on 21 June. You are the one desperately trying to prolong the agony.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Tough luck. All those who went racing out to Portugal and Spain on the assumption that both countries would be green by the time they returned will now be hit with testing bills and mandatory isolation. I have zero sympathy.

How could you be so stupid?

There’s no science behind it, you’re more likely to contract Covid in the U.K. than in Portugal. The government want to scrap international travel this year for some reason and this is how they’ll do it.

Perhaps they’re more concerned about Portugal, and don’t want all our vaccinated people going to Portugal and not causing any issue there, and coming home and not causing any issue here. That’s it.

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Originally Posted by jfman

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4015

“We cannot afford another lockdown” 16 June 20.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4143

“We need to get to herd immunity” 21 June

Yet now we have a vaccination programme it doesn’t matter about getting there evidently. Open up!

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4777

“The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.”

I liked that one.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4887

A late comeback for “just shield the vulnerable” 2 August 20

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5335

“We may not get that second wave” 6 September 20.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5625

“Hospital admissions remain very low” 15 September 20.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=5904

“If we get a vaccine, then we have a solution” 22 September 20.

Indeed we do, so why not give it the best chance?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...2&postcount=79

“Certainly, there should be no mandatory restrictions. The public should be advised on how to behave during the pandemic and to stay away from vulnerable friends and relatives” 12 October 20 -

I note nothing about those who don’t have a choice unpaid carers who also work in public facing environments.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2150

“ The emergency measures are necessary only until the vaccine has reduced hospital admissions to a safe level. The vaccine alone should ensure that happens by February or March.” 30 December 20.

I’ve tried really hard OB but whatever data says you always have fundamentally the same message that restrictions should be removed imminently, regardless of whether we are entering a new wave or exiting one.

You have far too much time on your hands.

Probably worth reminding ourselves of all of the assumptions we've all had that were proven to be wrong when we then so confidently make similar statements now....

I suspect the 21st will either be postponed or some restrictions will remain.

Cases are now of a lesser concern unless they translate to increased hospitalisations and the vaccine means they're no longer so tightly linked. So an eye will be kept on those numbers especially in light of one shot of the vaccine being less effective against this variant than the other ones, that's quite a big deal as the one-shot regime was so effective.

Personally, I am happy with the current rules and I wouldn't mind a delay to the lifting of the remaining restrictions if it means less risk to the ones we have now. I do not want to do a full lockdown again, that's done, but caution for a couple more months until the 2nd dose is widely given is acceptable to me at least.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

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That must make you the pussy...

My friends tell me I’m a cool cat.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

A more transmissible variant putting vaccinated (largely one dose) people in hospital.

No evidence for this whatsoever, in fact most results that I have seen show that one dose reduces serious disease and hospitalisation

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...-more-than-75/

There is also scarce evidence that the vaccines are less effective against the numerous new variants.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Probably worth reminding ourselves of all of the assumptions we've all had that were proven to be wrong when we then so confidently make similar statements now....

I suspect the 21st will either be postponed or some restrictions will remain.

Cases are now of a lesser concern unless they translate to increased hospitalisations and the vaccine means they're no longer so tightly linked. So an eye will be kept on those numbers especially in light of one shot of the vaccine being less effective against this variant than the other ones, that's quite a big deal as the one-shot regime was so effective.

Personally, I am happy with the current rules and I wouldn't mind a delay to the lifting of the remaining restrictions if it means less risk to the ones we have now. I do not want to do a full lockdown again, that's done, but caution for a couple more months until the 2nd dose is widely given is acceptable to me at least.

Not to those who will lose their businesses or lose their jobs, though.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Not to those who will lose their businesses or lose their jobs, though.

Well that's the advantage of the current rules where most things are open outdoors and indoors. Obviously, the full relaxation of rules means pubs can have bar services and people standing, I really miss proper pubs, but the risk is if we need to increase measures back to outdoor-only for the summer IMO.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well that's the advantage of the current rules where most things are open outdoors and indoors. Obviously, the full relaxation of rules means pubs can have bar services and people standing, I really miss proper pubs, but the risk is if we need to increase measures back to outdoor-only for the summer IMO.

But those pubs and restaurants that are open are surviving by the skin of their teeth. The measures need to be relaxed without delay. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But those pubs and restaurants that are open are surviving by the skin of their teeth. The measures need to be relaxed without delay. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

And death…

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My friends tell me I’m a cool cat.

Your friends that live in 1973...

Originally Posted by Hugh

And death…

And a particularly unpleasant one at that

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Except that the government will in fact end these restrictions on 21 June. You are the one desperately trying to prolong the agony.

We can only wait and see. From my comprehensive list produced earlier you’re track record isn’t exactly solid.

I want out of this situation as much as the next person so please refrain from personalising it. However, I’m completely realistic that there are no short cuts.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

And death…

Or “hospitalisation” as OB once described it.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

No evidence for this whatsoever, in fact most results that I have seen show that one dose reduces serious disease and hospitalisation

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...-more-than-75/

There is also scarce evidence that the vaccines are less effective against the numerous new variants.

“Scarce evidence”. I direct you to Public Health England’s risk register on the Delta variant.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

“Scarce evidence”. I direct you to Public Health England’s risk register on the Delta variant.

Well, post the link and I’ll take a look