The state benefits system mega-thread.

[richard s]

You will always get the ***** head cheats and the ones who take benefits for the hell of it or do it as a way of life, must clamp down on these **** bags.

[Gary L]

Welfare is to prevent hunger. so why are foodbanks rapidly increasing?

Thanks.

Another nail in Dave's coffin.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Welfare is to prevent hunger. so why are foodbanks rapidly increasing?

Thanks.

Another nail in Dave's coffin.

They're giving away FREE stuff, what do you think is going to happen.

They are opening up in NEW areas, therefore it is NO indication of the level of demand in an area, whether past, present or future. Decades ago, if a supermarket opened in a new area and people stated using it, doesn't mean there wasn't demand for the supermarket before then.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by nomadking

They're giving away FREE stuff, what do you think is going to happen.

That's the whole point. FREE stuff.
you have to be referred to one.
we shouldn't need them in 21st century Britain. one of the 'richest' countries in the world.

under the rule of GOD himself.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Gary L

That's the whole point. FREE stuff.
you have to be referred to one.
we shouldn't need them in 21st century Britain. one of the 'richest' countries in the world.

under the rule of GOD himself.

And what evidence is required to be referred to one? There was a documentary type program where an alcoholic splurged all his cash, including the extra DLA he received on booze. His Alcohol support worker(ie makes sure he can remain an alcoholic) arranged a referral. He was able enough to be teetotal for 2 weeks, therefore saving money.

[Gary L]

Ok. you win. they're poor, they're faking.

problem averted.

Dave, thank nomad

[weenie]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Ok. you win. they're poor, they're faking.

problem averted.

Dave, thank nomad

The majority of the 13 million people classed as living in poverty in the UK are in work, a charity's report suggests.
People do not ask for this, I mean careers officer asks a pupil what do you want when you leave school. Pupil to leave school replies get a rubbish job or benefits and live in poverty, sounds aright to me...living on benefits/low wage and living in poverty is not a choice done by the majority...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25287068

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Ok. you win. they're poor, they're faking.

problem averted.

Dave, thank nomad

If they're poor it is likely to be because they are spending the money elsewhere. If you opened a food bank up in 2009 or before, the only thing that might mean that the demand wasn't the same as it would be today, is because fewer categories of people could refer you. If those extra categories of people had been available in 2009, the demand for that food bank would have been the SAME.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by weenie

The majority of the 13 million people classed as living in poverty in the UK are in work, a charity's report suggests.

Well if the workers are hungry. then the poor have no chance

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Originally Posted by nomadking

If they're poor it is likely to be because they are spending the money elsewhere.

Bedroom Tax, most probably.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Well if the workers are hungry. then the poor have no chance

---------- Post added at 23:38 ---------- Previous post was at 23:37 ----------



Bedroom Tax, most probably.

The definition of poverty is a meaningless one. Eg take the theoretical situation where prices double overnight, the number of people defined as being in poverty would stay the same. If people's income doubled overnight, again the number "in poverty" would still be the same.

The "bedroom tax" started less than a year ago.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The "bedroom tax" started less than a year ago.

Which coincidentally coincides with the rise in food banks.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Which coincidentally coincides with the rise in food banks.

It trebled in the 2 years from 2007/08 - 2009/10. 13,849 to 40,898.

The figures for 2013/14 aren't listed yet, because apart from anything else the year end(I'm assuming march) hasn't taken place yet.

[Gary L]

Well I think we can both assume that when the figures for 2013/14 are released. they will have no doubt trebled again.
infact it's obvious that they have.

unless you're saying that there's always been poverty. and in making that point cancels something out. then you're unfortunately wrong.

it's a bit like after 49 years being in government. the Conservatives blaming the previous government for everything that's going wrong under themselves.

my sister has been split up with her husband nearly 7 years now. and he still insists that everything to do with his life is her fault. I can't afford the mortgage. it's her fault for leaving. I can't go to work because I can't bare her being seen picking the kids up from school. I can't get her to sign all the house over to me. after all. she was the one who left. I haven't done nothing wrong

[dilli-theclaw]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ction-benefits

I get this with the dwp / job centre all the time, I'm lucky as I have natalie to read my post but they should sort it out! I've had one or two accessible letters inmy time with them but it's hard work getting them.

[Gary L]

The charity's intervention emerged as the DWP published figures showing the total number of sanctions against benefit claimants in the year to September 2013 was 897,690, the highest figure for any 12-month period since jobseeker's allowance (JSA) was introduced in 1996.

The figures published by the Department for Work and Pensions cover employment support allowance (ESA) and JSA.

The figures published yesterday also showed that independent tribunals were upholding nine out of 10 appeals against the DWP. Before the coalition, the number of successful tribunal appeals in any 12-month period was well under 2,000. It has risen to more than 14,000.

Sanctions save money.
Sanctions punish the poor.
Sanctions cause hardship.
Sanctions are the norm.

When sanctioned, you are taken off the unemployment head count. ie: you're to believe they've found a job.
you can see why it's encouraged to hand out sanctions all day long. can't you.

So when you hear on the news that unemployment figures have gone down.
just remember that what it most likely is, is that they have stopped thousands more of peoples money by way of sanctions.
and that a percentage of these people will turn to crime to get money that has been took from them.

So logically crime is increasing, and will increase constantly. and the sacrifice is to save money.
a percentage of the crimes taking place will be costing you money.

https://www.scriptonitedaily.com/201...yment-figures/