Coronavirus

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Fair enough, but therefore give it time before you make decisions on restrictions.

You can’t make policy that affects your freedoms on “ guesswork”

Well, look at the number of confirmed omicron cases in the UK and then realise the actual number is much higher.


It is suspected to be more transmissible than Delta, so will more likely outcompete it.


It is suspected to be able to evade vaccine immunity.


It is suspected to be able to evade immunity from previous infection.


(though with the latter two points this is going to be partial but no doubt significant).


It is suspected to be a milder illness, though the data is not known as to how much and how much this will affect hospitalisations.


There is enough cause for the WHO to designate it a VOC
There is enough evidence for community transmission i.e. confirmed cases from people who have no links to the affected areas in Africa
There is a possibility that this will cause a high number of infection within days which may lead to a hospitalisation level which could overwhelm the available capacity


By the time you have seen this effect it is probably too late.


I don't see the issue in actions which won't massively affect a lot of people.

Yes chin diapers are annoying but they do have a mild at the most conservative estimate, effect on transmission.
Vax passes at least ensure people have some protection even if it's minimal and let's face it it's in your interests to protect yourself and get the vaccine


If these actions reduce transmission whilst the full facts are determined it could stop the infections etc spiralling out of control. If it's not going to work, they should and probably will relax them.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s an explanation of how exponential growth in infections work.

But not in this specific case………..

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Originally Posted by nffc

Well, look at the number of confirmed omicron cases in the UK and then realise the actual number is much higher.


It is suspected to be more transmissible than Delta, so will more likely outcompete it.


It is suspected to be able to evade vaccine immunity.


It is suspected to be able to evade immunity from previous infection.


(though with the latter two points this is going to be partial but no doubt significant).


It is suspected to be a milder illness, though the data is not known as to how much and how much this will affect hospitalisations.

So we don’t know…………

TBF you’ve laid it out, and managed to say nothing we don’t already know

There is enough cause for the WHO to designate it a VOC
There is enough evidence for community transmission i.e. confirmed cases from people who have no links to the affected areas in Africa
There is a possibility that this will cause a high number of infection within days which may lead to a hospitalisation level which could overwhelm the available capacity

Possibly, may, FFS.

If these actions reduce transmission whilst the full facts are determined it could stop the infections etc spiralling out of control. If it's not going to work, they should and probably will relax them.

That paragraph was interesting………….should…yes. Probably will……….hmmm

From the BBC ..

From Friday 10 December, face coverings will be mandatory for most indoor public venues including places of worship, theatres and cinemas, as well as in shops and on public transport.

Masks will still not be needed in hospitality settings such as pubs or restaurants, nor in venues where it is "not practical to wear them" (for instance, where exercise or singing takes place).

Cinemas are a bit of an oddity since you eat and drink while watching the film, so its not practical at that point.
So I guess it would just be inside the building, before you sit down for the film.

(The same possibly for theatres as well ?)

Pretty much the way things are in Scotland, as those restrictions were never lifted. However here you’re meant to have a mask on in a restaurant except when seated at your table so the English rules are still slightly more relaxed in that respect. In cinemas in my experience most people treat them like restaurants and masks come off as soon as people are seated and remain off throughout. As almost everyone is nursing a bucket of popcorn and a large drink it would be very difficult to determine if anyone was really breaking the rules.

[jonbxx]

I mentioned a while back that the company I work for mandated vaccination for all employees in the US. Well, the results are in - 0.9% of our employees refused the jab by the deadline and are now seeking new employment. I thought that was a pretty good strike rate to be honest. Mind you, this is a healthcare company and is based in the north east US where attitudes are pretty pro-vaccine compared to some other states

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I mentioned a while back that the company I work for mandated vaccination for all employees in the US. Well, the results are in - 0.9% of our employees refused the jab by the deadline and are now seeking new employment. I thought that was a pretty good strike rate to be honest. Mind you, this is a healthcare company and is based in the north east US where attitudes are pretty pro-vaccine compared to some other states

how many people is that then?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

how many people is that then?

19 people out of 2110 chose not to have the vaccine without a valid excuse (the valid exemptions are listed under state law)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

19 people out of 2110 chose not to have the vaccine without a valid excuse (the valid exemptions are listed under state law)

Do they work with sick or vulnerable people in hospitals or care homes?

[roughbeast]

Originally Posted by pip08456

The graph Chris Whitty didn't show. 0 deaths so far.

It's all about saving the NHS from an unsustainable rise in admissions, whether people die or not. The apparent spread rate of Omicron is phenomenal and unprecedented in Covid terms. Like it or not that will produce sufficient serious illness to overwhelm the NHS again, especially when it hits older, unvaccinated folk.

[Carth]

I now don't take much notice of the Covid stuff spouted by all and sundry, I think I've become immune to it . . not Covid itself (although maybe, possibly, could be, who knows) . . . but the amount of news, updates, expert opinion and analysis thrown about and repeated every 10 minutes.

Information Overload . . .

Just bugger off, take your carefully manipulated graphs, charts and spreadsheets and shove them where the sun don't shine.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Do they work with sick or vulnerable people in hospitals or care homes?

The 19 don't work at all now.

Originally Posted by Carth

I now don't take much notice of the Covid stuff spouted by all and sundry, I think I've become immune to it . . not Covid itself (although maybe, possibly, could be, who knows) . . . but the amount of news, updates, expert opinion and analysis thrown about and repeated every 10 minutes.

Information Overload . . .

Just bugger off, take your carefully manipulated graphs, charts and spreadsheets and shove them where the sun don't shine.

Mate, we all know you’re not a rat-licker, just frustrated…

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

I now don't take much notice of the Covid stuff spouted by all and sundry, I think I've become immune to it . . not Covid itself (although maybe, possibly, could be, who knows) . . . but the amount of news, updates, expert opinion and analysis thrown about and repeated every 10 minutes.

Information Overload . . .

Just bugger off, take your carefully manipulated graphs, charts and spreadsheets and shove them where the sun don't shine.

The thing to focus on is protecting the NHS from the new moronic variant, in case it gets overwhelmed by people who aren't getting ill, and let's not forget it has a death rate of zero so it's not to be sniffed at

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Do they work with sick or vulnerable people in hospitals or care homes?

Nope, mainly office staff. The field based staff who visit pharmaceutical companies and universities almost all got jabbed. My company followed the guidance from the State Government who mandated vaccines for all of their employees.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Nope, mainly office staff. The field based staff who visit pharmaceutical companies and universities almost all got jabbed. My company followed the guidance from the State Government who mandated vaccines for all of their employees.

That's harsh.