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Old 10-07-2019, 21:59   #16
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Boris Johnson isn't going to leak diplomatic cables. It won't be him, anyone doing it at his request or him engineering it somehow.

It's likely to be some idiot who didn't quite understand the seriousness of what they were doing.
I'm sure Boris didn't leak the papers*, but Darroch's resignation is being blamed on Boris not supporting him.

* https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...etary-11757269

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Old 10-07-2019, 22:33   #17
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Old 10-07-2019, 22:44   #18
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

These people are so cretinous. They know full well the memo was never intended for public eyes. He is entitled to view Trump as successful and May as not but what's that got to do with how ambassadors do their job?
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Boris Johnson isn't going to leak diplomatic cables. It won't be him, anyone doing it at his request or him engineering it somehow.

It's likely to be some idiot who didn't quite understand the seriousness of what they were doing.
I just hope they find and prosecute. I'm sick of these constant leaks that are more likely to injure our standing than enhance them. At least Gate was actually doing what the job required unlike a lot of our cabinet members who have failed spectacularly at the positions they have been assigned.
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Old 10-07-2019, 23:30   #20
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These people are so cretinous. They know full well the memo was never intended for public eyes. He is entitled to view Trump as successful and May as not but what's that got to do with how ambassadors do their job?
Desperate stuff. Redwood's not the man he used to be. He needs to step down and give a more able MP the chance.
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Re: UK ambassador to the USA resigns over leaked cables

Posts about the US ambassador have been split into their own thread, as it is a separate story to the Tory leadership contest.
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Old 11-07-2019, 15:53   #22
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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Desperate stuff. Redwood's not the man he used to be. He needs to step down and give a more able MP the chance.
Yet what he says is accurate.

It is also clear that whoever leaked this was a "Remainer" civil servant doing their best to sour our relationship with the USA pre- Brexit. So they can all point to the possibility of us not getting a trade with them in a timely manner.

The ambassador is a pawn caught up in this.

His resignation and the situation he found himself are nothing to do with Johnson.
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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It is also clear that whoever leaked this was a "Remainer" civil servant doing their best to sour our relationship with the USA pre- Brexit. So they can all point to the possibility of us not getting a trade with them in a timely manner.
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The speculation is that it's a Brexiter, not a Remainer, because of who they leaked it too and because they think Johnson will appoint a more friendly to Brexit-friendly civil servant to the post. There is a reason the Brexit Party are condemning the ambassador and Remainer parties are condemning the leak.

But why is he correct? The ambassador shouldn't be fired for giving his honest opinion in a private diplomatic communication to his own government. It's his job.

In the end, reality meant he had to go which is why the leaker themselves is to blame.
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Old 11-07-2019, 16:21   #24
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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The speculation is that it's a Brexiter, not a Remainer, because of who they leaked it too and because they think Johnson will appoint a more friendly to Brexit-friendly civil servant to the post. There is a reason the Brexit Party are condemning the ambassador and Remainer parties are condemning the leak.

But why is he correct? The ambassador shouldn't be fired for giving his honest opinion in a private diplomatic communication to his own government. It's his job.

In the end, reality meant he had to go which is why the leaker themselves is to blame.
What a load of rubbish!

He didn't get sacked, he resigned as his position became untenable due to the leak.

As regards the leaker, I think when found he/she should face the full extent of the law. It was not a "Whistleblower" situation and has harmed UK international relations.
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What a load of rubbish!

He didn't get sacked, he resigned as his position became untenable due to the leak.

As regards the leaker, I think when found he/she should face the full extent of the law. It was not a "Whistleblower" situation and has harmed UK international relations.
Someone sets fire to a house, so the occupant of the house has to leave the house because his situation is untenable - it's not the occupant's fault they had to leave the house...
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Someone sets fire to a house, so the occupant of the house has to leave the house because his situation is untenable - it's not the occupant's fault they had to leave the house...
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.
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What a load of rubbish!

He didn't get sacked, he resigned as his position became untenable due to the leak.

As regards the leaker, I think when found he/she should face the full extent of the law. It was not a "Whistleblower" situation and has harmed UK international relations.
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Which has absolutely nothing to do with the thread.
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The speculation is that it's a Brexiter, not a Remainer, because of who they leaked it too and because they think Johnson will appoint a more friendly to Brexit-friendly civil servant to the post. There is a reason the Brexit Party are condemning the ambassador and Remainer parties are condemning the leak.

But why is he correct? The ambassador shouldn't be fired for giving his honest opinion in a private diplomatic communication to his own government. It's his job.

In the end, reality meant he had to go which is why the leaker themselves is to blame.
He didnít ask for the ambassador to be fired. He was correct in the Ambassador called the Trump administration inept, when they are actually delivering on their election promised, mostly. Yet it is our government that is inept.
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Back in May there was a fire in one of the flats in which I reside. As my situation was untenable I had to leave. 4 days later I was able to return to my flat.

Just like your post absolutely nothing to do with this thread. The above by the way is truthful.
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Yet what he says is accurate.

It is also clear that whoever leaked this was a "Remainer" civil servant doing their best to sour our relationship with the USA pre- Brexit. So they can all point to the possibility of us not getting a trade with them in a timely manner.

The ambassador is a pawn caught up in this.

His resignation and the situation he found himself are nothing to do with Johnson.
You can count Remainer civil servants on the fingers of one hand. Most civil servants I've spoken to are for it as it provides them with more career opportunities.
The language used was the down-to-earth language used for internal briefings, not a press release.
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