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Old 23-06-2019, 10:04   #1
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Iran Tension Escalates as Iran Seizes British Vessels In Strait of Homuz

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48735097

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The US launched a cyber-attack on Iranian weapons systems on Thursday as President Trump pulled out of air strikes on the country, US reports say.

The cyber-attack disabled computer systems controlling rocket and missile launchers, the Washington Post said.

It was in retaliation for the shooting down of a US drone as well as attacks on oil tankers that the US has blamed Iran for, the New York Times said.

There is no independent confirmation of damage to Iranian systems.

The US has also imposed sanctions President Trump described as "major".
I have to say I'm rather concerned about this especially as Trump keeps changing direction.
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I have to say I'm rather concerned about this especially as Trump keeps changing direction.
Maybe it's better to kill a few computers than kill people at the moment,i think a confrontation is coming but it might not be the USA that carries out any attacks.
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I think Donny deserves some credit on this occasion, so what if the planes were or weren't in the air when he changed his mind, people are still alive now and that's the main thing imo

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I have to say I'm rather concerned about this especially as Trump keeps changing direction.
There is unforseen circumstances for weakening Iran to much, like the Saudis or Turks dominating the region, we just have to hope America is looking at all scenarios this time and learnt from Iraq
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Maybe it's better to kill a few computers than kill people at the moment,i think a confrontation is coming but it might not be the USA that carries out any attacks.

When damn near everything in the world is controlled by computers . . including weapons/targeting systems/failsafes . . it may not be such a good idea to mess with them
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Re: Iran-US crisis

Looks like Trump's strategy to dishonour the 2015 agreement is not having the outcome he anticipated.
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His decision to pull out of the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran and impose even tougher sanctions on the country has not forced the Islamic Republic back to the negotiating table. Instead they stand accused of attacking tankers in the Gulf and threatening US, British and other forces in the region.

Tehran also appears on course to exceed an agreed limit on uranium stockpiles this week in a move that could spell the end of the hard-fought nuclear deal that Britain, France and other backers still believe is the best way to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

The stakes are higher than ever and no one really knows how this will end.
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I think Donny deserves some credit on this occasion, so what if the planes were or weren't in the air when he changed his mind, people are still alive now and that's the main thing imo
It doesnít sit quite right with me. I mean yes, obviously itís better that 150 people just going about their day jobs havenít been blown to hell, but as for Trumpís motivation? I keep thinking about the scene in Schindlerís List where the concentration camp commandant who is partial to randomly shooting inmates from his office window, just because he can, decides not to shoot one after being persuaded that the true measure of power is compassion and restraint. In that case, it was an appeal to his vanity that caused him to stay his hand, but his true nature reasserted itself soon enough and the next prisoner he spotted, got shot dead, just because he could.

I think Trump is known for acts of narcissism, not for acts of compassion.
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It doesnít sit quite right with me. I mean yes, obviously itís better that 150 people just going about their day jobs havenít been blown to hell, but as for Trumpís motivation? I keep thinking about the scene in Schindlerís List where the concentration camp commandant who is partial to randomly shooting inmates from his office window, just because he can, decides not to shoot one after being persuaded that the true measure of power is compassion and restraint. In that case, it was an appeal to his vanity that caused him to stay his hand, but his true nature reasserted itself soon enough and the next prisoner he spotted, got shot dead, just because he could.

I think Trump is known for acts of narcissism, not for acts of compassion.
I didn't actually think much about his motivation tbh, you might be right, might also have sonething to do with getting embroiled in another middle eastern misadventure after being so critical of his predecessors for doing just that
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I thought it was an obvious tactic for Trump. If he did nothing after giving warnings he'll look weak. If he acted out his threats then it would escalate and won't be good for anyone. So by saying what he did it covers all bases and he comes out of it still intact whilst still forcing another threat in the process. I don't think he had any intention of firing, but a means of getting out of a tricky situation.
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I thought it was an obvious tactic for Trump. If he did nothing after giving warnings he'll look weak. If he acted out his threats then it would escalate and won't be good for anyone. So by saying what he did it covers all bases and he comes out of it still intact whilst still forcing another threat in the process. I don't think he had any intention of firing, but a means of getting out of a tricky situation.
Well now I'm reminded of that fable of the boy who cried wolf..
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Well now I'm reminded of that fable of the boy who cried wolf..
It has also been mooted that it was a way to root out leakers as well.

That I can believe over narcissism.
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It has also been mooted that it was a way to root out leakers as well.

That I can believe over narcissism.
But if he keeps employing these tactics then he is in danger of being regarded as a paper tiger.
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It doesnít sit quite right with me. I mean yes, obviously itís better that 150 people just going about their day jobs havenít been blown to hell, but as for Trumpís motivation? I keep thinking about the scene in Schindlerís List where the concentration camp commandant who is partial to randomly shooting inmates from his office window, just because he can, decides not to shoot one after being persuaded that the true measure of power is compassion and restraint. In that case, it was an appeal to his vanity that caused him to stay his hand, but his true nature reasserted itself soon enough and the next prisoner he spotted, got shot dead, just because he could.

I think Trump is known for acts of narcissism, not for acts of compassion.
I read that he may have doubled back when reminded that his core voter base expected him to withdraw from foreign conflicts, not start them and so his 2020 chances may be impacted.
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But if he keeps employing these tactics then he is in danger of being regarded as a paper tiger.
I said mooted. How true it is no-one knows so why make a mountain out of a molehill. I thought you were educated enough to know what mooted means.
That said I still don't know what the difference between working for a living and staying in acedemia is or why Univesity degree is so necessary.

But that's for another thread.
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I thought you were educated enough to know what mooted means
You seem to come across a bit rude here, I am sure this was unintentional
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I said mooted. How true it is no-one knows so why make a mountain out of a molehill. I thought you were educated enough to know what mooted means.
That said I still don't know what the difference between working for a living and staying in acedemia is or why Univesity degree is so necessary.

But that's for another thread.
Oh I know what mooted means. Do you know what a paper tiger is?
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