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Old 29-06-2019, 12:52   #5506
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Re: Netflix/Streaming Services

Hi i've been a lurker of these forums for around 2 years but decided to sign up as seeing some rubbish getting posted, i work in media law and Kodi itself is not illegal it is perfectly legal and is infact a media centre/streamer.
However some third party apps certainly are illegal this applies for plex and Emby too.
Regarding torrents. Torrents are not illegal as a lot of freely available open source content is provided via torrents, however copyrighted material such as movies/tvshows/games/music etc is illegal, there is however free music/movies/tvshows etc available via torrents that are perfectly legal.
I will have my six pence on streaming now too with companies getting greedy this i think will infact result in a spike in the number of people using illegal/grey area methods to obtain content, using a vpn to obtain content you pay for yourself from another country is not illegal say you use ESPN+ that is not illegal but may be against t+cs of your isp and ESPN so be careful, obtaining it via iptv service you see on facebook for example is illegal.
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Old 29-06-2019, 12:56   #5507
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I am sure you have downloaded something in the past that you shouldn't have, even if it was a TV episode not yet available in the UK?
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The article is "typical" Guardian fare, especially the bit where the author says "There’s a huge difference between not being able to watch everything because there’s too much choice and not being able to watch everything because you don’t have enough money."
Well if you don't agree with it that would be the usual default comment one would expect.

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Each media company having its own streaming services brings the possibility, the possibility, of providing a permanent archive of all their back catalogues, something Netflix could never do with other company's content.
Don't bet on it as companies are generally greedy and will squeeze out every last penny they can.

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Do you remember repurchasing Star Wars for the billionth time on different formats and then special editions, limited editions etc? That nonsense is gone and I welcome it.
Don't think that will suddenly disappear because it won't.

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Old 29-06-2019, 13:23   #5510
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Denphone, DVD's sales are in permanent decline, so not a sudden disappearance, just a withering into nothingness over the next few years.

Agree with your earlier comment though, about the media companies being greedy, but they still have to compete with the likes of Netflix, Amazon and Apple.
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Denphone, DVD's sales are in permanent decline, so not a sudden disappearance, just a withering into nothingness over the next few years.
Agree with your earlier comment though, about the media companies being greedy, but they still have to compete with the likes of Netflix, Amazon and Apple.
l know DVD's are in decline as my point is whatever the format of delivery they will still try to squeeze out every penny they can from customers.

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Denphone, DVD's sales are in permanent decline, so not a sudden disappearance, just a withering into nothingness over the next few years.

Agree with your earlier comment though, about the media companies being greedy, but they still have to compete with the likes of Netflix, Amazon and Apple.
There is a big consolidation coming in the streaming world and many smaller streamers won't survive it in my view.
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Old 29-06-2019, 18:27   #5512
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Old 29-06-2019, 19:06   #5513
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DVDs, TV licenses, pay tv subscription all used to add up each month. Fast forward to today and if the DVDs are gone and if the pay tv superscriptions are, or at least pared back, then adding in most of the main streamers will be affordable to many people, especially those paying hideous amount like £100+ each month for their tv and broadband needs.
I'd imagine the majority of people paying £100 + are taking Sport so I fail to see how they'll save in the world of broadcasters moving content onto their own OTT offerings.
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Old 29-06-2019, 19:46   #5514
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Denphone, DVD's sales are in permanent decline, so not a sudden disappearance, just a withering into nothingness over the next few years.
I doubt it, history shows that old technology dies hard. Don't you know of the mini-revival of vinyl albums and cassette tapes?

So long as there are people like me who insist on buying DVDs as I want the security of having discs instead of relying on the vagaries of streaming, then DVDs will be on sale.
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Old 29-06-2019, 20:30   #5515
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I'd imagine the majority of people paying £100 + are taking Sport so I fail to see how they'll save in the world of broadcasters moving content onto their own OTT offerings.
So how much do you reckon you'd save if you no longer had to pay for the linear pay tv channels?
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So how much do you reckon you'd save if you no longer had to pay for the linear pay tv channels?
Absolutely squat diddly do you seriously think that a company like Sky will just lose all its pay TV channels even if it did you'd still be required to take its streaming package instead likely costing the same.
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wow this is totally spot on. Greed. Tv companies may regret this as piracy returns!
You could have a point Vince

https://torrentfreak.com/video-pirac...w-long-190628/

While this is positive news for entertainment companies, there is also reason for concern. Increasingly, the legal video streaming landscape is becoming more fragmented or siloed. This means that people have to pay for more services to see what they want.

These new restrictions could push people in the direction of pirate sites again.
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Hi i've been a lurker of these forums for around 2 years but decided to sign up as seeing some rubbish getting posted, i work in media law and Kodi itself is not illegal it is perfectly legal and is infact a media centre/streamer.
However some third party apps certainly are illegal this applies for plex and Emby too.
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I will have my six pence on streaming now too with companies getting greedy this i think will infact result in a spike in the number of people using illegal/grey area methods to obtain content, using a vpn to obtain content you pay for yourself from another country is not illegal say you use ESPN+ that is not illegal but may be against t+cs of your isp and ESPN so be careful, obtaining it via iptv service you see on facebook for example is illegal.
Hi welcome aboard , its always nice to get a new perspective especially from someone with legal knowledge of the media market.
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Hi welcome aboard , its always nice to get a new perspective especially from someone with legal knowledge of the media market.
Thankyou the company i work for advises for a very big media company i won't mention names and we have warned them in the past about blocking kodi itself and torrents outright, but their hands are tied and courts often order sites to get blocked and innocent sites get caught in the mess which opens up a new can of worms.
We have suggested to many companies that the way forward could be to make content available on as many platforms as possible and to get rid of region locks (live sport excluded ofcourse) our client is considering the latter.
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The article is "typical" Guardian fare, especially the bit where the author says "There’s a huge difference between not being able to watch everything because there’s too much choice and not being able to watch everything because you don’t have enough money."

There's never been a opportunity, yet, to watch everything either on channels or on Netflix.

As the author says, if you wanted to watch whole tv shows, just one season would cost over £15 to buy the DVD and if the tv shows were long running over ten plus years, this got very expensive. There was never a time before Netflix where you could watch all of a tv show on a tv channel, something totally omitted from the article. Netflix provided an exceptionally cheap way to view content, which obviously people got very used to.

Another omission is that you couldn't even watch shows and films for a very long time on Netflix because the rights expired, which caused and still does cause, major headaches for Netflix as people complain when content is removed from the service. Sometimes the rights are renewed especially for major shows, but many times they're not. So, it was never a eat all you can bucket that the author quips about.

Each media company having its own streaming services brings the possibility, the possibility, of providing a permanent archive of all their back catalogues, something Netflix could never do with other company's content.

DVDs, TV licenses, pay tv subscription all used to add up each month. Fast forward to today and if the DVDs are gone and if the pay tv superscriptions are, or at least pared back, then adding in most of the main streamers will be affordable to many people, especially those paying hideous amount like £100+ each month for their tv and broadband needs.

And just a reminder, which the author forgets, Amazon, Apple and Netflix's original content are all new shows and films, so of course the prices would be higher, because that's additional new content which was never available before.

Netflix and other streamers haven't necessarily made things more expensive, especially when you throw in DVDs into the mix, they've made things more available and expanded the choice immeasurably.

Do you remember repurchasing Star Wars for the billionth time on different formats and then special editions, limited editions etc? That nonsense is gone and I welcome it.
You're criticising the article for making points that it does not make. It does not claim that Netflix had all the content. The article says the "whole point of Netflix was that it was a relatively affordable bucket that contained an awful lot of television".
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