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Old 11-07-2019, 11:33   #946
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

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Because the membership is fully behind him.
Interesting article on the membership numbers from earlier this year.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...ership-figures
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That looks like you could stop making monthly payments after the first one, and Labour would not start chasing you until the end of a full year of membership. And that then, they would give you another six months to pay up before striking you off the list of members.

So if you tried to leave Labour one month into your “membership year” by cancelling your monthly Direct Debits, could you still be considered a member for up to 18 months? Sources with detailed knowledge of Labour party processes told FactCheck that this was indeed the case.

And it appears to be the understanding among party officials. A leaked “weekly internal update” from January 2018 quoted a Labour staffer: “The number of lapsers in the period is high as a result of a spike in joiners around 18 months ago.” The suggestion here is that the party assumes that it takes a year-and-a-half for some members to come off the books after they stop paying.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

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Because the membership is fully behind him.
Fully? Not convinced.

The membership, for example, was polled at 88% in favour of Remain whereas Corbyn, as a lifelong Eurosceptic, is still, even now, kicking this can down the road.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

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Quote from Leo McKinstry (The Sun):Jeremy Corbyn spent most of his long Parliamentary career on the wilderness of the back benches, railing at betrayals by his party’s leadership.

But now, as leader himself, he has committed the ultimate act of treachery. After months of dithering, he has finally come out for Remain.

From now on, Labour is to be an unashamedly pro-EU movement, dedicated to overturning the 2016 referendum result. Once the voice of the oppressed working class, Labour is now to be the mouthpiece of the Europhile political class.

Yesterday, having succumbed to relentless pressure from his anti-Brexit MPs, Corbyn announced that Labour will campaign to stay in the European Union and vote against any deal negotiated by the next Conservative Prime Minister.

It is a historic decision, one that graphically shows how Labour has lost both its political compass and its moral authority.
Looks like a gift to the Brexit party especially in constituancies where there was a large majority voting leave.
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Labour has sacked shadow Brexit minister Dianne Hayter after she compared Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership to “the last days of Hitler”.

HuffPost UK revealed how Hayter compared the “bunker mentality” of the Labour leader and his inner circle with the 1930s Nazi regime at a meeting on Tuesday.

The party has now sacked the party’s deputy leader of the Lords and called her comments “truly contemptible, and grossly insensitive to Jewish staff”.

Hayter had been criticising Corbyn over his handling of the anti-Semitism crisis facing the party.

A Labour spokesman told HuffPost UK: “Diane Hayter has been sacked from the frontbench position with immediate effect for her deeply offensive remarks about Jeremy Corbyn and his office.
It's all getting internecine now.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Looks like the main directive of all parties is now to sack those who have a view different to the boss man (or lady)

I'm sure that, given life experience, everything will turn out absolutely fine when the top dogs are surrounded by toadies who nod on command

oh, and all this Hitler/Jew stuff is getting right up my nose.
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Looks like the main directive of all parties is now to sack those who have a view different to the boss man (or lady)

I'm sure that, given life experience, everything will turn out absolutely fine when the top dogs are surrounded by toadies who nod on command

oh, and all this Hitler/Jew stuff is getting right up my nose.
Labour MPs are furious as local party votes to expel former chief whip.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lary-armstrong

Labour MPs expressed outrage last night after a local constituency party voted to expel former chief whip Hilary Armstrong from the party for accusing Jeremy Corbyn of a lack of leadership over antisemitism.
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Labour MPs are furious as local party votes to expel former chief whip.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lary-armstrong

Labour MPs expressed outrage last night after a local constituency party voted to expel former chief whip Hilary Armstrong from the party for accusing Jeremy Corbyn of a lack of leadership over antisemitism.
A case of shoot the messenger if they bring bad news!
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Funny how we have two main party memberships who both chose style over substance

Both popular in the membership but pretty loathed outside it.

Both who suppress their own voting capabilities.

What could possibly go wrong.
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Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger joins Lib Dems.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...oins-lib-dems/

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This is a moment of national crisis. The Liberal Democrats are unequivocal in wanting to stop Brexit and are committed to securing Britain's future as a tolerant, open and inclusive society.

I am joining Jo Swinson and the Liberal Democrats today, in the national interest, to offer a vital, positive alternative to (Boris) Johnson and (Jeremy) Corbyn and help build a future that our country deserves
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Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger joins Lib Dems.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...oins-lib-dems/
Another nail in the coffin for Change UK.

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Funny how we have two main party memberships who both chose style over substance

Both popular in the membership but pretty loathed outside it.

Both who suppress their own voting capabilities.

What could possibly go wrong.
I'm old enough to rememeber a time when both were popular with the public.
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Ex-Labour MP Luciana Berger joins Lib Dems.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/201...oins-lib-dems/
Looks like she won't be missed . . not that many knew who she was anyway

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In a random selection of local voters in her Wavertree constituency, many could not name her, but recognised her name . . .
Her constituency had moved to hold a vote of no confidence in the former Labour MP earlier this year but it was later withdrawn
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Looks like she won't be missed . . not that many knew who she was anyway



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Liverpool ... monkey in a red rosette etc. They jus vote for der Laber, like. It’s hardly surprising they can’t name her. Who she is is entirely besides the point, which is why she’s going to lose her seat come the election no matter how effective a constituency MP she may have been.
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Liverpool ... monkey in a red rosette etc. They jus vote for der Laber, like. It’s hardly surprising they can’t name her. Who she is is entirely besides the point, which is why she’s going to lose her seat come the election no matter how effective a constituency MP she may have been.
Yes. I think reports say she"ll aim for a London seat, maybe Justine Greening's old constituency which is heavily Remain.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Yeah it won't be the same seat. I imagine the defectors have been promised Lib Dem target seats at the very least but because of the way the Libs are structured, with a lot of power existing with members and local parties, it's probably quite complicated for them. They would have been in discussions with those constituency parties to see if they would allow them to be their candidate.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

I don't really have a problem with a sitting MP resigning from their party and remaining MP as our system elects the person not the party (even if that's not the way people vote it is the system). But they should then remain an Independent until another election not move to an opposing party.

I guess the "opposing party" wouldn't want someone unless they bought a seat with them.
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