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Old 09-07-2019, 14:20   #646
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

According to a new poll conducted by YouGov on behalf of Britain Elects, Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservatives would struggle to improve the Conservative Party's electoral fortunes in a general election unless he delivered Brexit.

https://mailchi.mp/f7643146f4aa/bori...-poll-suggests
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Old 09-07-2019, 14:31   #647
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According to a new poll conducted by YouGov on behalf of Britain Elects, Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservatives would struggle to improve the Conservative Party's electoral fortunes in a general election unless he delivered Brexit.

https://mailchi.mp/f7643146f4aa/bori...-poll-suggests
If they don't deliver brexit the party is finished who ever the leader is.
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Old 09-07-2019, 14:40   #648
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According to a new poll conducted by YouGov on behalf of Britain Elects, Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservatives would struggle to improve the Conservative Party's electoral fortunes in a general election unless he delivered Brexit.

https://mailchi.mp/f7643146f4aa/bori...-poll-suggests
Which of course he will, and that will then see off the Brexit Party.

According to the BBC, a surprising number of Labour supporters quite like Boris. I think he will return a comfortable majority at the next election. Even more so, given the alternative of a Communist state, Venezuala-style.
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Old 09-07-2019, 14:46   #649
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

The construction of the Britain Elects/Yougov poll is a little strange in that their second question (voting intention in the event Brexit has been delivered) includes the Brexit Party as an option, despite Farage’s stated aim of the party existing only so long as Brexit has not been delivered. It would have been interesting to see how the numbers would have stacked up in the event those 14% of determined Brexit Party supporters had been forced to choose something else.
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You never addressed my points on honouring promises? You also are out of touch with your "colleagues" it seems. If you can provide any contrary evidence to gainsay these findings, it would be most welcome.

I do find it surprising how a Party with such heritage could reduce itself to a membership base with these views. Then again, nothing is a surprise today ..<SNIP>

My post got deleted on some technical ground that baffles me. I can't be bothered to type it all out again. I'll just say the question about Trump making a good UK PM was ridiculous and could not have been taken seriously.
Death penalty? I and most Conservatives I know don't want it brought back.
On the multiculturalism questions, I and many of my colleagues tend to agree with the findings particularly if the birthrate of some cultures leads to a majority in the UK population in due course - a perfectly rational and mathematically solid view.
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My post got deleted on some technical ground that baffles me. I can't be bothered to type it all out again. I'll just say the question about Trump making a good UK PM was ridiculous and could not have been taken seriously.
Death penalty? I and most Conservatives I know don't want it brought back.
On the multiculturalism questions, I and many of my colleagues tend to agree with the findings particularly if the birthrate of some cultures leads to a majority in the UK population in due course - a perfectly rational and mathematically solid view.
I seriously doubt you’re baffled. If you want to reply to someone point by point, separate their points out using QUOTE tags. Do not reply to someone by typing within the post you’ve quoted, with or without additional use of COLOR tags which do not add the clarity you seem to think they do. All you’re doing is screwing up subsequent posters’ ability to reply to you clearly and making the discussion needlessly difficult to follow.

VBulletin has been around for many years, its system for threading discussions and allowing them to be followed easily is well established and understood. These are not technicalities, it’s just how it works - simply do what everyone else does and there’s no problem.
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Old 09-07-2019, 16:14   #652
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

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My post got deleted on some technical ground that baffles me. I can't be bothered to type it all out again. I'll just say the question about Trump making a good UK PM was ridiculous and could not have been taken seriously.
Death penalty? I and most Conservatives I know don't want it brought back.
On the multiculturalism questions, I and many of my colleagues tend to agree with the findings particularly if the birthrate of some cultures leads to a majority in the UK population in due course - a perfectly rational and mathematically solid view.
If it helps, here are your replies:

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> A survey for YouGov found that 58% of those polled think the death penalty should be allowed for certain crimes, compared with 37% who are opposed to capital punishment.

I disagree personally with the death penalty and my member colleagues I talk to are likewise minded.

> More than half of those surveyed (56%) thought Islam was "generally a threat" to the British way of life, while 22% thought it was "generally compatible".

If you project birth rate into the future and take the view that Islam does not do multiculturalism, then the fear is justified. Shock horror.

> Asked about the US president, 54% of respondents said they believed he would make a good prime minister, compared with 43% who said he would be a bad one]

An artificial question like that doesn't deserve a serious answer and prolly didn't get one.

> Two-fifths thought having people from a variety of different backgrounds in Britain has damaged society

It's entirely possible if you think about it.

> Just under half (49%) said schools should not have to teach children about LGBT relationships

So what?

A total of 51% thought most people could get a job if they tried enough

So what?

> Some 46% think fears about climate change have been exaggerated, while 45% believe warnings from scientists about the scale of the problem

That is a view. The majority did not support that position.
I have to say that knowing you from this forum, I am surprised how far these membership polling answers are away from you and the political centre ground. It could be the intake of ex-UKIP members that is skewing the results with the traditional membership losing their voice somewhat?

Back to the topic, it still begs the question on how many of the promises aimed directly at this audience will survive into Government. I personally doubt many will and that, having chosen the PM, the said membership will have little ability to change this.
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Which of course he will, and that will then see off the Brexit Party.

According to the BBC, a surprising number of Labour supporters quite like Boris.
I think he will return a comfortable majority at the next election. Even more so, given the alternative of a Communist state, Venezuala-style.
I'm not surprised as they know he's the tin-opener in November to let Labour into power.
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I'm not surprised as they know he's the tin-opener in November to let Labour into power.
I think you are right. He is more likely to be a car crash of a PM than a new Churchill. I lot of people are going to buy the popcorn and watch the show ..
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I'm not surprised as they know he's the tin-opener in November to let Labour into power.
Oh, how you underestimate him.

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I think you are right. He is more likely to be a car crash of a PM than a new Churchill. I lot of people are going to buy the popcorn and watch the show ..
Well, stand back and be amazed. He should be capable of putting the Left back in its box for at least a decade, after which Corbyn will be just a distant nightmare of a memory.
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I think you are right. He is more likely to be a car crash of a PM than a new Churchill. I lot of people are going to buy the popcorn and watch the show ..
That's always been my position - enjoy the pickle the politicians are getting into.

A pity that it's all so very serious.
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Oh, how you underestimate him.
I really don't and we saw his spell as Foreign Secretary to appreciate that he had been promoted to a job beyond his abilities. Remember the Turkish goat poem?
I think you need someone far more in tune with the thinking of Parliament to be PM in the current situation. Unfortunately, that wouldn't win votes from the Party faithful which is why we are where we are.

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Well, stand back and be amazed. He should be capable of putting the Left back in its box for at least a decade...
Corbyn doesn't need any help from BoJo to do that.
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Re: Leadership who is the next PM?

Posts about the US ambassador have been split into their own thread, as it is a separate story to the Tory leadership contest.
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You can see why the Boris campaign wanted to limit his TV exposure before the members voted
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You can see why the Boris campaign wanted to limit his TV exposure before the members voted
exactly as they trying to hide the disaster that is Boris what a choice it be at next general election between 2 disasters
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