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Election 2019, Week 1
View Poll Results: Your voting intention at this stage of the campaign:
Labour 7 14.58%
Conservative 20 41.67%
Liberal Democrat 8 16.67%
UKIP 0 0%
Brexit Party 3 6.25%
Green 0 0%
Change UK 0 0%
Plaid Cymru 1 2.08%
SNP 1 2.08%
Irish nationalist 1 2.08%
Irish unionist 0 0%
Other 1 2.08%
Abstaining 2 4.17%
Ineligible 0 0%
Undecided 4 8.33%
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Old 08-11-2019, 19:05   #361
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Baroness Warsi sides with the Palestinians - no surprise really because of her ethnic affiliation. She made a point of asking a question about Parliament recognising Palestine as a state. Really nothing to do with the UK but clearly bias from her ethnicity. Then those who disagree with her position are Islamophobes.

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"Sides with the Palestinians" for a country so obsessed by our own sovereignty our apparent will to deny that to other people is somewhat perplexing.
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Old 08-11-2019, 19:11   #362
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I think a two-state solution is the only way to resolve the problem, but unfortunately Arafat and others lost their best chance to achieve that by refusing to drop daft demands that Israel could never possibly agree to, such as the right of return for the descendants of displaced Palestinians. Whatever the rights or wrongs at play, resettling all those people in the land would De facto end the Israeli state from day one.

I do not, however, subscribe to the monstering the State of Israel gets at the hands of the British Left, nor the anti-Semitic abuse British Jews get from the Left when they dare to speak up for Israel as a legitimate state. It is the abuse of those who believe in Israel that is anti Semitic, and sadly far too many of Corbyn’s cheerleaders are engaged in it.
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"Sides with the Palestinians" for a country so obsessed by our own sovereignty our apparent will to deny that to other people is somewhat perplexing.
There you go. Nobody here is denying sovereignty for other people; this mini-discussion is about Warsi trying to promote regional sovereignty from her position in the UK and then raising accusations of Islamophobia when she gets criticised.
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Because I don't accept that thinking the Palestinians are entitled to a state on land they've lived on for thousands of years is anti-Semitism?
The Jews have lived there for thousands of years. That is historical fact.


I have no problem with them saying that, it is the manner and degree that is totally obnoxious.


For those that claim it's only a handful, they're wrong. These examples are only the ones caught out. Many more have the same opinions, but haven't said so in such a public manner, or simply haven't yet been uncovered.
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The Jews have lived there for thousands of years. That is historical fact.

I have no problem with them saying that, it is the manner and degree that is totally obnoxious.

For those that claim it's only a handful, they're wrong. These examples are only the ones caught out. Many more have the same opinions, but haven't said so in such a public manner, or simply haven't yet been uncovered.
So in the absolute lack of evidence you are just condemning people you aren’t politically aligned with.

That’s like saying there are “many more” Islamophobes in the Conservative Party they just haven’t been caught yet, or many more xenophobes voted for Brexit they just know when to keep quiet.

As we all know it’s a big red herring I’ll move back to domestic issues

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-under-tories

More evidence of profits being taken out of the NHS by chronically under resourcing it.

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So in the absolute lack of evidence you are just condemning people you arenít politically aligned with.

Thatís like saying there are ďmany moreĒ Islamophobes in the Conservative Party they just havenít been caught yet, or many more xenophobes voted for Brexit they just know when to keep quiet.
As with many a situation, people go from undiscovered to uncovered. They existed before, just it wasn't out in the open. Other in the Labour party, do and have given support to those making the statements. Again some publicly, but most in private or not out loud.


Most, it not all, of this "Islamophobia" is directed at the real, actual actions of Muslims, eg Muslim(ie not Asian) sex gangs. The people doing most to spread "hatred" of Muslims, are Muslims themselves. Just because only x thousand went off to join ISIS, doesn't mean thousands more aren't still in this country that support them. Just look at the polls that expressed support for Bin Laden after 9/11. Just look at the the number of people that went off to join him as a result. Why should there be anything wrong with criticising such behaviour and wider support of that behaviour?
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As with many a situation, people go from undiscovered to uncovered. They existed before, just it wasn't out in the open. Other in the Labour party, do and have given support to those making the statements. Again some publicly, but most in private or not out loud.


Most, it not all, of this "Islamophobia" is directed at the real, actual actions of Muslims, eg Muslim(ie not Asian) sex gangs. The people doing most to spread "hatred" of Muslims, are Muslims themselves. Just because only x thousand went off to join ISIS, doesn't mean thousands more aren't still in this country that support them. Just look at the polls that expressed support for Bin Laden after 9/11. Just look at the the number of people that went off to join him as a result. Why should there be anything wrong with criticising such behaviour and wider support of that behaviour?
Which biased people like Warsi then call "Islamophobia".
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Iím pretty sure someone who watches the news as closely as you do is well aware that the basic belief in a Palestinian state is not what is being labelled as anti Semitic.
Pretty sure the zionists tried to have any criticism of Israel classed as anti Semitic a while back...

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Baroness Warsi sides with the Palestinians - no surprise really because of her ethnic affiliation. She made a point of asking a question about Parliament recognising Palestine as a state. Really nothing to do with the UK but clearly bias from her ethnicity. Then those who disagree with her position are Islamophobes.

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Her ethinc affiliation? Pakistan
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Anyway I hope we are all making sure that everyone in their household who is eligible to vote is registered to vote?
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Anyway I hope we are all making sure that everyone in their household who is eligible to vote is registered to vote?
Here we go then, an example of what's probably happening in 65% of UK homes:

Me - undecided on my vote but want to leave the EU.
Wife - busy wondering which shite to record off the TV later
Daughter - why is facebook so slooooww today
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Most, it not all, of this "Islamophobia" is directed at the real, actual actions of Muslims, eg Muslim(ie not Asian) sex gangs. The people doing most to spread "hatred" of Muslims, are Muslims themselves. Just because only x thousand went off to join ISIS, doesn't mean thousands more aren't still in this country that support them. Just look at the polls that expressed support for Bin Laden after 9/11. Just look at the the number of people that went off to join him as a result. Why should there be anything wrong with criticising such behaviour and wider support of that behaviour?
Really? My local corner shop owner neither committed the 9/11 attacks, nor has he been convicted of or accused of grooming.

Your assertion is to more valid than saying anti-Semitism has itís roots in the Israeli Defence Force using helicopter gun ships and firing missiles in civilian areas.

Thereís a billion Muslims on the planet. Ignoring those who were actually fighting over territory, a few thousand here and there is similar to comparing Christianity to Ku Klux Klan membership.
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The Multicultural idea doesn't work, has never worked, and is the strange fantasy of a future wherein everyone holds hands and never ever has a bad word to say about how others live their lives.

and if people think I'm talking crap, just look around your local area and see the separate 'communities' that have sprung up, each with a wary and suspicious eye on each other.

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Baroness Warsi sides with the Palestinians - no surprise really because of her ethnic affiliation. She made a point of asking a question about Parliament recognising Palestine as a state. Really nothing to do with the UK but clearly bias from her ethnicity. Then those who disagree with her position are Islamophobes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/h...lords-29634553
Your comments are puzzling. She supports the Palestinians' right to a nation state because she feels it is the right thing to do. Her "ethnic affiliation", whatever that is, is irrelevant.

I don't see you complain when those of Jewish "ethnic affiliation" support the state of Israel ..

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