Brexit discussion

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Until the required answer is given!

That is what I was saying in post 2582:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2852

You can pretty much cite the "will of the people" at your will - as and when you need.

Think of it in regards to the wet dreams Sturgeon has about independence - imagine her to say that the voters should get a vote on the eventual deal.

Imagine her having to somersault through rhetorical gymnastics to avoid setting the precedent that the Scottish (and English) voters would get a say on a final referendum deal. It won't ever matter because there will never be a successful independence vote but it will be hilarious to make her squirm, right lol?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

That is what I was saying in post 2582:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2852

You can pretty much cite the "will of the people" at your will - as and when you need.

Think of it in regards to the wet dreams Sturgeon has about independence - imagine her to say that the voters should get a vote on the eventual deal.

Imagine her having to somersault through rhetorical gymnastics to avoid setting the precedent that the Scottish (and English) voters would get a say on a final referendum deal. It won't ever matter because there will never be a successful independence vote but it will be hilarious to make her squirm, right lol?

Exactly, your previous post well and truly nailed the "will of the people" soundbite but doubtless Sturgeon and others will cling onto it.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Very often, the response to a differing view has been abuse Mick. Haven't bothered reporting as thought it pointless on here.

This comes and goes though - in fairness me and Mick have seen a bunch of issues differently and other than our common loathing of Hillary Clinton (and seeing as her as the spawn on Satan) we don't have much in common. None the less I don't take his differences with me as abuse.

I also know that while some of it may be a bit testier than we like it to, Mick's comments at the end of his post about keeping it on topic have allowed me quite a lot of room for maneuver in spite of it discussing religion and what not:

Originally Posted by ianch99

Risking the wrath of the off-topic police but here goes

In spite of that, both of us still mad a reply, and I posted up to this post:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2937

But ultimately it was getting way away from Brexit so I let it go - but me and him did still have the scope to explore it farther without any sanction.

People are very emotional about the EU. A lot of it is very raw (for everyone) and ultimately a bunch of us will have wildly differing views.

Me and him are arguing in a different thread about gun rights:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...9&postcount=69

It is pretty polar opposite but as he just said, on some things we have to agree to disagree.

Issues like Europe, religion etc are usually some of them.

[1andrew1]

More Mayhem from both main parties!

1. The Conservative Party

Theresa May is facing another fight from Tory Brexit rebels after warnings to the prime minister to stick to her promises on key legislation.
Pro-EU Conservative backbenchers told the prime minister on Wednesday that if she "goes back" on a vow made 24 hours earlier she could yet suffer a humiliating reverse on the EU Withdrawal Bill.

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-risks-...usion-11403791

2. The Labour Party

Five Labour MPs have resigned from their roles ahead of a Brexit vote on remaining in the European Economic Area.
Junior Labour frontbenchers Laura Smith, Ged Killen, Ellie Reeves, Tonia Antoniazzi and Anna McMorrin stepped down from their roles on Wednesday night.

https://news.sky.com/story/five-labo...-vote-11403982

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

People are very emotional about the EU. A lot of it is very raw (for everyone) and ultimately a bunch of us will have wildly differing views.

It is pretty polar opposite but as he just said, on some things we have to agree to disagree.

Issues like Europe, religion etc are usually some of them.

Brexit is symbolic of something bigger than just the economic and legal arguments (kinda like Guns in the US) which is why it provokes so much anger. It's people identities and their understanding of themselves and their country.

All Lords Amendments to EU Withdrawal bill are rejected by close of day today..

VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

MPs reject a House of Lords amendment that would have required the government to take steps to maintain the EU's environmental principles in domestic law after Brexit.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Ayes: 320
Noes: 296

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

MPs reject a House of Lords amendment that would have meant secondary legislation used to amend certain retained EU law would be subject to enhanced scrutiny procedure.

This included retained EU law on employment and equality rights, health and safety protections, and consumer and environmental standards.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Ayes: 318
Noes: 301

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

MPs reject a House of Lords amendment that would have allowed legal challenges to domestic law if it fails to comply with the general principles of EU law.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Ayes: 320
Noes: 297

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

The government defeat a House of Lords amendment that would have required the UK to remain part of the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights after Brexit.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Ayes: 321
Noes: 301

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

The government win again on a House of Lords amendment on the customs union.

It would have required the government to outline what steps it would take to negotiate a customs union with the EU after Brexit.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Ayes: 326
Noes: 296

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

MPs have rejected a House of Lords amendment requiring the government to negotiate a customs union with the EU.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Ayes: 325
Noes: 298

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

A House of Lords amendment calling on the government to make EEA membership a negotiating objective in Brexit talks has been defeated.

MPs were voting on whether to dismiss the amendment, with the government representing the aye vote.

Labour's official position was to abstain on the vote. Because of this 6 Labour Shadow Front benchers have resigned.

Ayes: 327
Noes: 126

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VOTE RESULT: GOVERNMENT WINS

Labour's amendment calling on the government to negotiate full access to the EU's internal market has been defeated.

Ayes: 240
Noes: 322

Government majority: 82

[Mr K]

See Rees-Mogg is taking precautions in case of a hard Brexit. He's setting up an Investment fund in
Ireland ! Such faith in the UK ! Hypocrite.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ranch-ireland/

Rees-Mogg's Name corrected - We refer to the correct names on this forum, this is not a child's playground. As per the following rule below:-

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...1&postcount=13

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

See Rees-Mogg is taking precautions in case of a hard Brexit. He's setting up an Investment fund in
Ireland ! Such faith in the UK ! Hypocrite.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ranch-ireland/

And there are quite a few of them Mr K espousing one thing and then behind our back doing exactly the opposite..

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

See Rees-Mogg is taking precautions in case of a hard Brexit. He's setting up an Investment fund in
Ireland ! Such faith in the UK ! Hypocrite.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ranch-ireland/

Rees-Mogg said that SCM had funds based across the world and that “people outside the EU are used to Irish domiciled funds”. The warnings in the prospectus, he said, were “not a policy statement by SCM”, but guidance to investors that was drafted by lawyers.

No different to this.

Popular mobile firms including Blackberry, EE, Nokia and Vodafone have warned shareholders about the potential cancer risks of phones - but haven't told customers.
They have told investors that if research finds links between their products and the disease that they could be sued by customers.

They're not saying it will happen, but they have to cover their backsides by saying it might.

He only owns 15% or so of the firm, so it's NOT his firm as such.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by nomadking

No different to this.

They're not saying it will happen, but they have to cover their backsides by saying it might.

He only owns 15% or so of the firm, so it's NOT his firm as such.

I'm afraid you can't dance around the facts Nomad. Jacob William Rees-Mogg (MP) co-founded the firm, works in it (nice little £168k a supplement to the day job !), and much of his families wealth is tied up in it. They are creating a fund in Ireland because of the dangers of Brexit.

These Brexit hypocrites are looking after themselves, they know it's going to be bad, however that's for the plebs, no reason they should suffer.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm afraid you can't dance around the facts Nomad. Jacob William Rees-Mogg (MP) co-founded the firm, works in it (nice little £168k a supplement to the day job !), and much of his families wealth is tied up in it. They are creating a fund in Ireland because of the dangers of Brexit.

These Brexit hypocrites are looking after themselves, they know it's going to be bad, however that's for the plebs, no reason they should suffer.

He doesn't have control over the firm, and as you said he co-founded it, ie others were and are involved. It is a fund for OTHERS to invest in, IF they so wish.

Mr Rees-Mogg is a shareholder of the company, but does not make investment decisions.

“A number of existing and prospective clients requested Irish domiciled access to Somerset’s products. The decision to launch the Fund was nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit,” said Oliver Crawley, a partner at Somerset.

https://www.ft.com/content/38987fe2-...3-6c13e5c92914

Nothing to do with Brexit, the Ireland Investment decision and JRM does not make investment decisions. This is this ridiculous argument put to bed.

And so what if he co-founded it and makes a nice sum from it, it's totally legal and he is perfectly entitled as are his family, to make a nice profit from it, that's the whole point of being a shareholder.

So he is being attacked here for what exactly (Apart from being a firm believer in Brexit)?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

https://www.ft.com/content/38987fe2-...3-6c13e5c92914

Nothing to do with Brexit, the Ireland Investment decision and JRM does not make investment decisions. This is this ridiculous argument put to bed.

And so what if he co-founded it and makes a nice sum from it, it's totally legal and he is perfectly entitled as are his family, to make a nice profit from it, that's the whole point of being a shareholder.

So he is being attacked here for what exactly (Apart from being a firm believer in Brexit)?

He's being attacked for being completely two-faced - even the Torygraph readers are giving him stick.

If Jacob William Rees-Mogg (MP) is a firm believer in Brexit and believes UK will be successful in future, he should stop working for his own company and withdraw all money/interest in disgust surely ?! He won't because he knows setting up an Investment within the EU protects his money and that's what counts. He's got to have something to fall back when Brexit reality hits the rest of us !

He could maybe join his fellow Brexit disciple Lord Lawson, who has applied for residency in France ! - another true believer who knows what's good for the rest of us, and what's good for them....

What part of, “He doesn’t make investment decisions” & his partner of the firm saying “This is nothing to do with Brexit”, do you not understand?

As for the tripe from you about being worse off.. more Groundhog Day claptrap. The World is a much larger trading place than the corrupted EU in which it’s market share is expected to shrink in the next 5 years.