Brexit - Page 131

**Mick** · 03-05-2019, 08:24

Being a member of the Con job EU, I wish was a myth, how we surrendered our individual identity as a country for corrupted dictators, in a corrupted union.

Mr K · 03-05-2019, 08:42

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Originally Posted by Mick

Being a member of the Con job EU, I wish was a myth, how we surrendered our individual identity as a country for corrupted dictators, in a corrupted union.

Yeah the 'corrupt' thing might be another of those myths along with bendy bananas....

**Mick** · 03-05-2019, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Yeah the 'corrupt' thing might be another of those myths along with bendy bananas....

Nope. The whole EU project, biggest corrupt con job going.

papa smurf · 03-05-2019, 10:05

Just picked up the post and there's Nigel Farage on an election communication asking for my vote on 23 may,no problem the vote is your's

Sephiroth · 03-05-2019, 10:19

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This has been proven many times to be untrue - sad to see it still being promulgated...

And the carrots standard was about carrots being a certain width at one end to be a Class 1 carrot, not length, and that ruling was scrapped in 2008...

Bananas

I did caution my examples with “you know what I mean”. Everyone else got the point - regulations.

**Hugh** · 03-05-2019, 10:20

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There are 650 myths according to this.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK...hs-a-z-index./

And if the lies are repeated often enough (which they were, in the Express and Mail), people accept them as truth.

Sort of like "E.U. Corruption"...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36276175

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Claim: The European Union is so corrupt that the European Court of Auditors has not signed off its accounts for 20 years.

Reality Check verdict: The Court of Auditors has signed the EU accounts every year since 2007, while pointing out that EU countries, once they receive the EU funds, misuse about 4.4% of the total budget...

...The latest report, published in 2015 for accounts in 2014, explicitly said that the auditors were "signing off the accounts" as they have done every year since 2007.

The Court did point out that some of the funds - 4.4% of the total in 2014 - were not used in accordance with the EU rules. But it stressed that this "is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste", but money that: "should not have been paid out because it was not used in accordance with the applicable rules and regulations".

The auditors said typical cases involved roads or airports that attracted insufficient traffic.

Poor value for money
It is important to stress that around 80% of the EU budget is managed by member states themselves, and not by EU institutions. The EU transfers funds to the national treasuries and then the countries themselves decide which projects to spend the money on. The auditors have called on EU countries to take more care in their spending.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I did caution my examples with “you know what I mean”. Everyone else got the point - regulations.

So you used things that had been proven to be false to prove your point - fair enough...

You could also have said "Leave means that in the "other restaurants" you don’t have to pay your bill or that they will give you a haircut and shave before you start your meal - you know what I mean"...

Sephiroth · 03-05-2019, 10:22

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Originally Posted by denphone

There are 650 myths according to this.

https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK...hs-a-z-index./

There is no myth about what’s important. ‘Ever closer Union” which would take our democracy away and give it to a European Parliament where our identity would be overcome by the others. We look alike but don’t think alike.

Brexit was all about sovereignty.

**Hugh** · 03-05-2019, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is no myth about what’s important. ‘Ever closer Union” which would take our democracy away and give it to a European Parliament where our identity would be overcome by the others. We look alike but don’t think alike.

Brexit was all about sovereignty.

If that was the case, why do people keep repeating the lies?

Sephiroth · 03-05-2019, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh

And if the lies are repeated often enough (which they were, in the Express and Mail), people accept them as truth.

Sort of like "E.U. Corruption"...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...endum-36276175

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So you used things that had been proven to be falseto prove your point - fair enough...

The EU has a tendency to over regulation. Sometimes to protect French agricultural practices. My illustrations are symptomatic of the EU and that would be clear to everyone.

**Hugh** · 03-05-2019, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The EU has a tendency to over regulation. Sometimes to protect French agricultural practices. My illustrations are symptomatic of the EU and that would be clear to everyone.

But your "illustrations" were lies.

Sephiroth · 03-05-2019, 11:28

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Originally Posted by Hugh

But your "illustrations" were lies.

Well, if you're going to persist with your accusation, then "carrots don't have to be a certain length" and "bananas don't have to have a certain curvature" are, of course self-standing truths.

RichardCoulter · 03-05-2019, 13:30

I'm not convinced by this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ther-europeans

Most people I know (including Irish immigrants and non white people incidentally) think that immigration should be more strictly controlled and that freedom of movement was the law that broke the camels back leading to the EU referendum result.

Earlier today Jeremy Vine described Brexit as a by-election on immigration.

jonbxx · 03-05-2019, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There is no myth about what’s important. ‘Ever closer Union” which would take our democracy away and give it to a European Parliament where our identity would be overcome by the others. We look alike but don’t think alike.

Brexit was all about sovereignty.

But we got a legally binding exemption from further political integration and that still didn't fly

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/medi...lementen16.pdf

RichardCoulter · 03-05-2019, 16:06

More people from the UK are taking their holidays in non EU countries:

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKCN1S40UH

I thought that this might happen. If the benefits and ease of travel to EU countries is stopped or becomes uncertain, people probably think that they might as well broaden their horizons.

Sephiroth · 03-05-2019, 16:27

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

But we got a legally binding exemption from further political integration and that still didn't fly

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/medi...lementen16.pdf

True, but that's not the only situation where the others can outvote us. Fishing quotas would be one; CAP, etc.