Brexit

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

AND - This has absolutely nothing to do with why we are still in. We are still in because as I have said more than once - we have a Remainer Parliament, Remainer PM - who simply has an half-hearted effort to leave the EU.

Put a leaver in charge and we would soon depart without all this bullshit from the Remainer saboteurs.

I do agree we should have had a leaver PM who should have taken responsibility to leave. But none stepped up.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

So which of the 'leavers' would you put in charge ? There is a myriad of talent to choose from..... Chief Clown Boris ?

Michael Gove is the most talented leaver but BoJo the most popular with the local associations.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm constantly being told that everyone knows what they are voting for. I also know that people should change their minds if the facts change ie new or better evidence arises. This suggests the country knew what they were doing when they voted in a Remainer-dominated parliament.

We know it's a Remainer dominated parliament now, don't we?

We didn't before we voted and we had MPs saying they would honour the referendum result prior to themselves getting voted in.

And btw....Peoples opinions are not evidence.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Seems fair to me:

Nigel Farage copies Nazi propaganda tactics as he unveils 'racist' poster showing Syrian refugees

That is not fascism - try again please.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

So which of the 'leavers' would you put in charge ? There is a myriad of talent to choose from..... Chief Clown Boris ?

Have you gone blind ?

I've already stated I will vote for the Brexit Party in this thread.

I want a party that honours democracy and the democratic decision to leave the EU because we do not need to be in this disgusting and corrupt union any longer.

Originally Posted by Pierre

So would I.........do you know one?

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Either very naive or very stupid

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Do we have to physically inspect vehicles?

Or can what is loaded onto vehicles be logged onto a database at the loading point. ANPR can click it as passes through the border ( and at other points along the way). The contents can the be checked off again at the point of unloading.

It is not beyond the wit of man to sort this out if there was a real desire to do it.

And it will take at least ten years, as shown in the Home Office presentation discussed recently in this thread

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And it will take at least ten years, as shown in the Home Office presentation discussed recently in this thread

I doubt it.

[Jimmy-J]

2019 European elections: Lib Dems stand on 'stop Brexit' message

Originally Posted by nomadking

The EU is supposedly concerned about illicit goods entering the EU via NI. All goods from outside the EU and UK, will have already been checked by UK Customs.

It's not just illicit goods. It's ones where the products don't conform to EU/UK regulation and tariffs.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not just illicit goods. It's ones where the products don't conform to EU/UK regulation and tariffs.

Mmm, it's a problem isn't it? If only we'd thought about all this and had a plan before we started this Brexit thing ...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I doubt it.

You're right Pierre - Government IT projects always get delivered in less time than estimated.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're right Pierre - Government IT projects always get delivered in less time than estimated.

Like this you mean..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24130684

Originally Posted by Pierre

I doubt it.

And what do you base this on?

The people putting the presentation together were experts in International Trade and Technology, and if anything, were optimistic in their outlook.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And what do you base this on?

Hopefully, something more substantial than it's not beyond the wit of man.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

That is not fascism - try again please.

Let's try racism then.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...vist-1-6015344

The video tweeted by the Our Future, Our Choice campaigner shows Femi in conversation with a young man wearing a Brexit Party T-shirt.

“A lot of people on your side of the argument say that Brexiteers are racist because they want to reduce migration,” he said, adding that the Brexit Party wants migration to be “more balanced”.

Femi replied: “So, in terms of the racism thing, Nigel Farage IS racist.

“When he showed his 'Breaking Point' poster, he was pointing at Syrian refugees, saying that they are the reason why we need to get out of the EU.

“That is inherently racist.

“The UK is not part of the EU's Common Asylum Policy, which means that not one of those refugees in the photo had any right to come here under EU law ... the only people who do have the right to come here under EU law ... are people who look like Nigel Farage.

“So he chose specifically brown people who have no rights to come here under EU law to scare people about EU immigration, which is fundamentally racist.”

The activist replied that the refugee can still come to the UK after they've claimed asylum and applied for an EU nationality.

“And so you're basically saying that a Syrian refugee who comes to, say, Germany, spends seven years ... becomes a fully-fledged German citizen, speaking German, a proper German citizen ... shouldn't come to the UK because of his ethnic origin.”

The activist denied he was saying that at all, but then trailed off and lost his train of thought.

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Originally Posted by Mick

I want a party that honours democracy and the democratic decision to leave the EU because we do not need to be in this disgusting and corrupt union any longer.

That party does not honour democracy. It intends to put forward 5th columnist MEP candidates in the upcoming EU elections.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

<SNIP>

That party does not honour democracy. It intends to put forward 5th columnist MEP candidates in the upcoming EU elections.

How do you justify that slur?

They stand on a mandate; if the people support that mandate, they vote for the respective candidate. That is one of the principles of democracy.

As to "fifth column", what's wrong with standing on a platform that supports getting the UK out of the EU, or alternatively (no chance) of getting the EU reformed?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

How do you justify that slur?

They stand on a mandate; if the people support that mandate, they vote for the respective candidate. That is one of the principles of democracy.

As to "fifth column", what's wrong with standing on a platform that supports getting the UK out of the EU, or alternatively (no chance) of getting the EU reformed?

How would they know - they never turn up for committee meetings, and just grandstand in the MEP meetings.

To change something, you have to try to change it - just burning it down isn't change, it's nihilism.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How would they know - they never turn up for committee meetings, and just grandstand in the MEP meetings.

To change something, you have to try to change it - just burning it down isn't change, it's nihilism.

To the 52% who democratically voted to leave the EU, the Brexit Party MEPs, if elected, would feel properly and democratically represented.

Your stance is pure head in the sand Remainism.