Brexit discussion

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Are you aware that the USA is not a small village in Africa?

The same USA that is becoming more and more protectionist and talking about imposing tariffs on imports?

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's interesting the ones insisting on "a fair playing field" are the EU and they're so desperate we cooperate they've gone as far leaking that very statement to the press, I'm confident we'll get a deal that suits us, it won't be as good in terms of trade as we have now but it won't be that bad either.

I must have missed a statement from the EU. Would you be able to put a link up?

Many thanks in advance!

[1andrew1]

Interesting interview with Sir David Warren, British ambassador to Tokyo from 2008 to 2012, and now head of the Japan Society, the leading independent body in Britain on UK-Japan relations. Some extracts below.

“I don’t think we should indulge in ‘Project Fear’ by thinking that disinvestment is likely or imminent,” he said. “The Japanese government and Japanese companies are pragmatic, they are not going to radically change their immediate or short-term plans.”...
“Membership of the customs union is important for Japanese companies, especially in the motor sector, because it gives frictionless access to and from the UK and EU, with large numbers of components crossing boundaries all the time. Japan will not want to see that access being undermined.”..
Sir David believes there is a strong emotional tie between Britain and Japan that will endure. “But fundamentally, every Japanese official or business figure that I meet fails to understand what we are doing.
“The EU has never placed any constraint whatsoever on trade between the UK and Japan. And the Japanese just don’t get the argument that, by leaving the EU, we are somehow throwing off our shackles.”

https://www.ft.com/content/786c8efe-...6-b9ccc4c4dbbb

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The same USA that is becoming more and more protectionist and talking about imposing tariffs on imports?

Yes and it's the same USA that wants chlorinated chicken and the NHS included in any deal and Mrs Mayday is desperate enough to give it to them

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I must have missed a statement from the EU. Would you be able to put a link up?

Many thanks in advance!

Seeing as you asked so politely

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-seeks-p...165151876.html

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes and it's the same USA that wants chlorinated chicken and the NHS included in any deal and Mrs Mayday is desperate enough to give it to them

But not steel.
The Trump administration said it was weighing broad-based tariffs and quotas to curb imports of steel and aluminum in the name of "national security

Or stock exchanges
SEC blocks Chicago Stock Exchange sale to China-based investors

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The same USA that is becoming more and more protectionist and talking about imposing tariffs on imports?

Well, that's your interpretation. What President Trump said in his State of the Nation speech was that he wanted 'fair and reciprocal trade deals'.

I have no problem with that. It's a demonstration of how all agreements should be negotiated. Why are you so afraid of that?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, that's your interpretation. What President Trump said in his State of the Nation speech was that he wanted 'fair and reciprocal trade deals'.

I have no problem with that. It's a demonstration of how all agreements should be negotiated. Why are you so afraid of that?

you have no problem with USA wanting to take over our NHS as part of deal?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Dave42

you have no problem with USA wanting to take over our NHS as part of deal?

My God, the indoctrination of this tired old narrative knows no bounds, Dave!

The NHS will always be free at the point of delivery. Why should it matter who delivers it, as long as they are competent?

I've seen enough of the people I know who have opted in the end for private health treatment that they have paid for, who say they are amazed at how well they were treated compared with their previous NHS experiences.

Why should I, or anyone else, worry that my treatment is provided by the private sector if I don't have to pay for it?

Oh, and by the way, the last period of Labour Government introduced a fair amount of privatisation, so let's not go down that ideological route!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My God, the indoctrination of this tired old narrative knows no bounds, Dave!

The NHS will always be free at the point of delivery. Why should it matter who delivers it, as long as they are competent?

I've seen enough of the people I know who have opted in the end for private health treatment that they have paid for, who say they are amazed at how well they were treated compared with their previous NHS experiences.

Why should I, or anyone else, worry that my treatment is provided by the private sector if I don't have to pay for it?

Oh, and by the way, the last period of Labour Government introduced a fair amount of privatisation, so let's not go down that ideological route!

Let's go down that route, the creeping privatisation of the NHS can only end one way and it won't be fee at the point of use. We are already seeing private patients being given beds in NHS cancer wards at the expense of the public. Private ambulances are costing more and more for a worse service and who does oily little Gideon Osbourne invite to discuss opportunities with, our closest neighbours in Europe or America, yes didn't need two guesses did you. The thing I find most worrying is the lack of transparency, if what's happening is good for the public you think they'd want to tell us all how well they'd done rather than hide figures.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Let's go down that route, the creeping privatisation of the NHS can only end one way and it won't be fee at the point of use.

We are already seeing private patients being given beds in NHS cancer wards at the expense of the public. Private ambulances are costing more and more for a worse service and who does oily little Gideon Osbourne invite to discuss opportunities with, our closest neighbours in Europe or America, yes didn't need two guesses did you. The thing I find most worrying is the lack of transparency, if what's happening is good for the public you think they'd want to tell us all how well they'd done rather than hide figures.

You see, that is the lie that those who are 'weaponising' the NHS want you to believe, and you've just sucked it in!

There are no plans to have people pay for NHS treatment, which will remain free at the point of delivery, whether the public or private sector is providing the service.

Tha academy schools are run by the private sector, but they don't expect parents to pay for their children to get educated there, do they?

As for private patients in NHS wards, you forget that whether you are a NHS or private patient, you still have the right to NHS care. It should also be remembered that private patients take a lot of strain off the NHS.

As for private ambulances, they are being brought in to take the strain of an overloaded health service, caused by an ever growing number of people using it. Without the private sector, you would have even longer waits following 999 calls.

[Carth]

Academy run schools: Struggling the same way as ordinary schools and getting Government help with funding. I may be wrong (often am) but I thought the idea of an academy school was to place it in private hands to save tax payers money?

Private patients take a lot of strain off the NHS is it by using NHS facilities, equipment and personnel? Used to be called 'queue jumping' at one time. And don't get me started on NHS dentists v Private dentists

Private ambulances 29 September 2017 One of the largest providers of private ambulance services in the Eastern region went into administration today. “We have been very concerned about this company for months. Both patients and staff have suffered. We know of numerous cases of vulnerable patients not being collected from hospital and ambulances that failed to meet even basic standards of road worthiness.”
https://eastern.unison.org.uk/news/2...dministration/

It all seems to me to have the look of 'Carillion Mk2' about it

[Mr K]

Revealed: rightwing groups plot to ditch EU safety standards on food and drugs

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y_to_clipboard

An unprecedented drive to lobby ministers to ditch strict EU safety standards in order to secure a US trade deal is being drawn up by a transatlantic group of conservative thinktanks, it has emerged.

Organisers of the self-styled “shadow trade talks”, which are set to include 10 leading rightwing and libertarian groups from the UK and the US, are preparing to push their “ideal free trade agreement” that would allow the import of US meats, drugs and chemicals banned in Britain.

All for our own good I should think. Chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef here we come. All part of the Brexit dividend....

Another fear mongering bullshit story. Sourced from the crappy leftie, vomit inducing guardian.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Another fear mongering bullshit story. Sourced from the crappy leftie, vomit inducing guardian.

And your news sources are Mick? ( you rarely post any links to your valuable info )

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Mick

Another fear mongering bullshit story. Sourced from the crappy leftie, vomit inducing guardian.

I don't understand why you feel this incessant need to use childish names for all the people/groups/institutions/entities etc that you don't agree with or like. I'm beginning to wonder if deep down you feel threatened by them.

Cheers

Dave