Coronavirus (OLD)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh Mr K, you do it every bloody time - LIES LIES LIES - FFS, stop posting Fake News.

That is not what they voted for at all - that video showed them voting against an amendment to the Queen speech, to undo the 1% cap of pay rises, public sector workers would usually get. They then later that year raised the cap anyway, so no, NHS workers, including nurses got more than a 1% pay rise the following years!

It's hypocritical Mick as well you know. Particularly for MPs who have given themselves much bigger rises than nurses or anyone else in the public sector.

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's hypocritical Mick as well you know. Particularly for MPs who have given themselves much bigger rises than nurses or anyone else in the public sector.

MPs don't give themselves pay rises either - yet more lies.

Fyi: IPSA sets MPs pay rises, which is a Independent body! I don't necessarily agree with the rises they get, but it is totally wrong to suggest MPs set their own pay rises.

Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda will you?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

MPs don't give themselves pay rises either - yet more lies.

Fyi: IPSA sets MPs pay rises, which is a Independent body! I don't necessarily agree with the rises they get, but it is totally wrong to suggest MPs set their own pay rises.

Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda will you?

They could reject that rise if they wanted to. Interesting how they reject independent pay reviews for other public sector workers but accept when it comes to themselves.

Originally Posted by Mr K

They could reject that rise if they wanted to. Interesting how they reject independent pay reviews for other public sector workers but accept when it comes to themselves.

You've just done it again, you cannot resist a dig, even if it means the dig you post, holds absolutely no substance.

Again, they have not rejected anyone's pay increases. In 2018, NHS workers got a big increase, between 4.5% and 29% over three years.

The vote you linked to, wasn't even a meaningful vote, so it wouldn't have mattered a jot, even it had passed.

Some MPs in the past, have rejected the pay increase, but they cannot refuse it, they will still get the money, IPSA said it's one level of pay only, some MPs from various political parties have in the past, donated it to their local causes.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They could reject that rise if they wanted to.

have YOU ever rejected a pay rise awarded to you? No? Bloody hypocrite.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

You've just done it again, you cannot resist a dig, even if it means the dig you post, holds absolutely no substance.

Again, they have not rejected anyone's pay increases. In 2018, NHS workers got a big increase, between 4.5% and 29% over three years.

The vote you linked to, wasn't even a meaningful vote, so it wouldn't have mattered a jot, even it had passed.

Some MPs in the past, have rejected the pay increase, but they cannot refuse it, they will still get the money, IPSA said it's one level of pay only, some MPs from various political parties have in the past, donated it to their local causes.

Well let's see, number of MP vacancies zero, and no shortage of volunteers given the number of candidates at the last election. Oh, and they're claiming an extra £10k supplement each for the stress of working at home atm.....

Nursing vacancies 43,000 and climbing all the the time...

Have we got the pay right? You decide.

The £10k is for equipment for their staff to work from home

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[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I know that it's an offence for an employer to knowingly send an employee into a situation or undertake a task that could be a risk to their health and/or safety.

I'm surprised that none of the healthcare workers or their trade union representatives have brought this up with regards to the lack of PPE.

Maybe Government operations are exempt from this Act? ISTR that hospital kitchens were exempt from hygiene checks, but this was eventually remedied.

Well the military is obviously excempt, and no doubt medical staff, along with other emergency services.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

MPs don't give themselves pay rises either - yet more lies.

Fyi: IPSA sets MPs pay rises, which is a Independent body! I don't necessarily agree with the rises they get, but it is totally wrong to suggest MPs set their own pay rises.

Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda will you?

If it's stuffed full of failed politicians, cronies and former high ranking civil servants It's about as independent as the city remuneration committees that adjudicate each others pay and bonuses in the banking sector, a box ticking exercise that lacking only impartiality and integrity

I'm tired of stupid comments, pointless arguments, and off topic nonesnse everytime I login and read this thread.

For those that clearly cannot read, the topic title is "Coronavirus".
Its not a topic for relentless barbs, digs and general attacking whoever is in power because you dont like them.

If thats all you are interested in, or can contribute, go elsewhere.
I've warned offenders more than once over the last two weeks, my patience has ended and 7 day thread bans are now being handed out.

Two so far, dont be the third.

[pip08456]

DHSC response to the Sunday Times article.

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020...sight-article/

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Well the military is obviously excempt, and no doubt medical staff, along with other emergency services.

Not exactly. Employers have a duty of care to mitigate any risk to their staff.

Originally Posted by pip08456

DHSC response to the Sunday Times article.

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020...sight-article/

They answer points, but sometimes not the points made...

Claim - Suggestion that ‘lack of grip’ had the knock-on effect of the national lockdown being introduced days or even weeks too late, causing many thousands more unnecessary deaths.

Response - The government started to act as soon as it was alerted to a potential outbreak. Mr Hancock was first alerted to Covid 19 on 3 January and spoke to Departmental officials on 6th Jan before receiving written advice from the UK Health Security Team. He brought the issue to the attention of the Prime Minister and they discussed Covid 19 on 7 January.

The government’s scientific advisory groups started to meet in mid-January and Hancock instituted daily meetings to grip the emerging threat. We have taken the right steps at the right time guided by the scientific evidence.

No specific mention of the lockdown in the response.

Claim - The last rehearsal for a pandemic was a 2016 exercise codenamed Cygnus, which predicted the health service would collapse and highlighted a long list of shortcomings — including, presciently, a lack of PPE and intensive care ventilators.

Response - The Government has been extremely proactive in implementing lessons learnt around pandemic preparedness, including from Exercise Cygnus. This includes being ready with legislative proposals that could rapidly be tailored to what became the Coronavirus Act, plans to strengthen excess death planning, planning for recruitment and deployment of retired staff and volunteers, and guidance for stakeholders and sectors across government.

No mention in the response on PPE and IC Vents.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

They answer points, but sometimes not the points made... No specific mention of the lockdown in the response.


No mention in the response on PPE and IC Vents.

Really?

Claim - Among the key points likely to be explored are why it took so long to recognise an urgent need for a massive boost in supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE) for health workers; ventilators to treat acute respiratory symptoms; and tests to detect the infection.

Response - The Department for Health began work on boosting PPE stocks in January, before the first confirmed UK case.

Discussions on PPE supply for COVID-19 began w/c 27 January (as part of Medical Devices and Clinical Consumables), with the first supply chain kick-off meeting on 31 January. The first additional orders of PPE was placed on 30 January via NHS Supply Chain’s ‘just-in-time contracts’. BAU orders of PPE were ramped up around the same date.
Friday, 7 February, the department held a webinar for suppliers trading from or via China and the European Union. Over 700 delegates joined and heard the Department’s requests to carry out full supply chain risk assessments and hold onto EU exit stockpiles where they had been retained.
Monday, 10 February, the department spoke with the major patient groups and charities to update them on the situation regarding the outbreak and to update them on the steps it was taking to protect supplies.
Tuesday, 11 February, the department wrote to all suppliers in scope of the Covid 19 supply response work – those trading from or via China or the EU – repeating the messages from the webinar and updating suppliers on the current situation relating to novel coronavirus.
The NHS has spare ventilator capacity and we are investing in further capacity.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Really?

Yes, really....

I was talking about the specific point I highlighted about the need for having them beforehand, as an outcome of Cygnus - there was no mention of that. Your response point was about trying to get some stock, not about have a "just in case" reserve stock.

Also, they didn't make any response to the point about BJ having a 12 day "working holiday" mid-February, about a month after he had had a two week holiday in the Caribbean...