19-05-2021, 20:38
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Interesting and authoritative article on Australian cattle production.
https://www.pwc.com.au/industry/agri...stry-nov11.pdf
The UK would be one more customer for the Southern farms (read the article) and it would add choice to the UK market. I approve Free Trade.
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19-05-2021, 20:51
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Re: Britain outside the EU
but . . but . . all those cattle are part of the global warming problem 
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19-05-2021, 20:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Interesting statistic in that report - Oz beef herd population of 28 million (vs U.K. beef herd population of 1.45 million).
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19-05-2021, 20:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
A very recent survey concluded that currently, nobody gives a flying..............
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19-05-2021, 21:07
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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A very recent survey concluded that currently, nobody gives a flying..............
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except the farmers…
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/busines...e-deal-7982092
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...farms-bus.html
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19-05-2021, 21:16
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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If you read the full article, you'll see that 50% of that total herd population is in the northern farms, which is lower quality beef sold to the Asian market. The premium beef, from the southern farms, currently sell to Korea, Russia and Japan.
Of course they want to add the UK to their opportunities; I don't see why we should be protectionist on the high UK price/steer.
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but . . but . . all those cattle are part of the global warming problem |
Sod that. I like my beef.
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19-05-2021, 21:25
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
If you read the full article, you'll see that 50% of that total herd population is in the northern farms, which is lower quality beef sold to the Asian market. The premium beef, from the southern farms, currently sell to Korea, Russia and Japan.
Of course they want to add the UK to their opportunities; I don't see why we should be protectionist on the high UK price/steer.
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Sod that. I like my beef.
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I did read the full article - the28 million figure was on the last page, before the appendix sales pitch…
The lower grade beef could be sold to U.K. ready meal/burger producers.
What do you think U.K. farmers should do?
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19-05-2021, 21:40
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I did read the full article - the28 million figure was on the last page, before the appendix sales pitch…
The lower grade beef could be sold to U.K. ready meal/burger producers.
What do you think U.K. farmers should do?
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The 28 million was also on page 1.
Your question is a difficult one to answer ahead of actuality. The matter is clouded by the retail mark up, which is a rather opaque affair, what with middlemen and Supermarket squeeze etc. I don't like protectionism as regards overseas trade.
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19-05-2021, 21:46
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Well there seems to be no point bothering with cattle.
The Australians will undercut them on prices, and the Supermarket chains are killing them on the price for milk production.
Probably best if they give up farming, and sell the land for housing or solar power sites.
. . or just plant thousands of trees and keep the environmentalists happy
Chickens are a big thing, although 462 acres of free range chickens won't be easy to manage 
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19-05-2021, 21:54
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I did read the full article - the28 million figure was on the last page, before the appendix sales pitch…
The lower grade beef could be sold to U.K. ready meal/burger producers.
What do you think U.K. farmers should do?
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So let me get this right. Australia has and still produces 28 million (tons?) of beef and it is all now coming to the UK. Does that include the year on year production for all the time we have been in the EU or just mean they are not going to sell to anyone else and just flood our market?
Australian production just as ours depends on the market available. They are producing for the already available market and would have to increase to supply us.
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19-05-2021, 22:04
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Great report. I doubt the key points have changed but a heads-up it is ten years old.
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20-05-2021, 00:36
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Carth
Well there seems to be no point bothering with cattle.
The Australians will undercut them on prices, and the Supermarket chains are killing them on the price for milk production.
Probably best if they give up farming, and sell the land for housing or solar power sites.
. . or just plant thousands of trees and keep the environmentalists happy
Chickens are a big thing, although 462 acres of free range chickens won't be easy to manage |
That's what Patrick Minford said, that farming will have to be sacrificed for brexit
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20-05-2021, 07:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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So let me get this right. Australia has and still produces 28 million (tons?) of beef and it is all now coming to the UK. Does that include the year on year production for all the time we have been in the EU or just mean they are not going to sell to anyone else and just flood our market?
Australian production just as ours depends on the market available. They are producing for the already available market and would have to increase to supply us.
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By that reasoning, our shipbuilding, steel-making, coal mining, and textile making industries are all still thriving…
If they can make more profit selling here versus some of their existing markets (which may have price constraints/tariffs), why wouldn’t they? (for example, China has a 12% tariff on Oz beef, and exports to the China and the USA fell).
https://www.beefcentral.com/trade/20...illion-tonnes/
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
The 28 million was also on page 1.
Your question is a difficult one to answer ahead of actuality. The matter is clouded by the retail mark up, which is a rather opaque affair, what with middlemen and Supermarket squeeze etc. I don't like protectionism as regards overseas trade.
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Could you clarify that, please, as I’m not sure what you mean?
Would the the supermarkets not be going for at least the same (if not more) mark up?
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20-05-2021, 08:46
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By that reasoning, our shipbuilding, steel-making, coal mining, and textile making industries are all still thriving…
If they can make more profit selling here versus some of their existing markets (which may have price constraints/tariffs), why wouldn’t they? (for example, China has a 12% tariff on Oz beef, and exports to the China and the USA fell).
https://www.beefcentral.com/trade/20...illion-tonnes/
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Could you clarify that, please, as I’m not sure what you mean?
Would the the supermarkets not be going for at least the same (if not more) mark up? |
That's what muddies the waters - whether or not supermarkets go for the cheapest of the quality options.
I don't like protectionism.
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20-05-2021, 17:39
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Re: Britain outside the EU
All this about us having to take US beef filled with crap and Chlorinated Chicken is BS.
They can sell it here, but we don't have to buy it.
I buy all the food in my household and I buy British meat 100% of the time.
So when we don't buy it they will stop selling it.
Listening to Adrian Chiles this morning he was talking to a Lamb farmer, and they said their biggest problem is the false rubbish said by vegan groups.
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