30-07-2021, 13:36
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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He's dead isn't he?
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perfidiously dead 
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30-07-2021, 13:42
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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He's dead isn't he?
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But not his political spawn.
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30-07-2021, 13:42
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Will be interesting to see if the UK relaxes any restrictions on European drivers working in the UK or implements other solutions. Arla says it's not suffering from a pingdemic but a lack of drivers.
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Dairy giant Arla says driver crisis hitting milk supply
Dairy giant Arla, which supplies milk to all major UK supermarkets, has said a lorry driver shortage has forced it to cut back on its deliveries.
UK managing director Ash Amirahmadi said the firm normally supplied 2,400 stores a day, but had been experiencing driver shortages since early April.
"Last Saturday, there were 600 stores that we couldn't deliver milk to," he told the BBC.
He warned of a summer of disruption and urged the government to act.
"It's very worrying for customers when they go into shops and find that the shelves are empty," he said.
"Our assessment is that we're in a driver shortage crisis and therefore we're asking for the industry and government to work together to recognise we're in a crisis and actually address the issue."
Mr Amirahmadi said the government could help the industry by accelerating the programme of driving tests for new HGV drivers, as well as by issuing temporary visas for the road haulage industry, so that more European drivers could be allowed into the country.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58012884
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30-07-2021, 14:04
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I hope they accelerate the UK HGV training process. Filling job vacancies ourselves rather than relying on cheap imports from Eastern Europe was rather the point of this exercise.
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30-07-2021, 14:38
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I hope they accelerate the UK HGV training process. Filling job vacancies ourselves rather than relying on cheap imports from Eastern Europe was rather the point of this exercise.
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Accelerating the HGV training process should definitely be the UK's priority priority here. I think the European drivers are seen as a stop gap so aren't necessarily cheap.
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30-07-2021, 14:42
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Accelerating the HGV training process should definitely be the UK's priority priority here. I think the European drivers are seen as a stop gap so aren't necessarily cheap.
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Perhaps that is the case now but cheap european drivers in the past is the reason companies didn't need to train drivers.
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30-07-2021, 14:46
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I'm struggling to think where 100,000 drivers have 'disappeared' to in the last 6 months. 
Did they all retire at the same time?
Have they been pinged by the Covid app?
Have they decided on a career change and gone pea picking?
. . . surely 100,000 out of 600,000 weren't foreign and gone home, leaving all those big wages behind
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30-07-2021, 14:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I'm struggling to think where 100,000 drivers have 'disappeared' to in the last 6 months.
Did they all retire at the same time?
Have they been pinged by the Covid app?
Have they decided on a career change and gone pea picking?
. . . surely 100,000 out of 600,000 weren't foreign and gone home, leaving all those big wages behind |
Agreed that 100,000 is a large number. Some have retired. Some left the UK after lockdown and decided not to return. Plus there will have been a backlog in training built up during lockdowns.
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30-07-2021, 15:07
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Perfidious then, perfidious now.
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In his statement about interests, Charles de Gaulle was right then and right now too....
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30-07-2021, 15:11
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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In his statement about interests, Charles de Gaulle was right then and right now too....
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I'm glad we agree. But it does rather imply that De Gaulle (and now that running dog Macron) wish to dominate the EU, which they stand no chance if we had remained.
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30-07-2021, 15:24
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Carth
I'm struggling to think where 100,000 drivers have 'disappeared' to in the last 6 months.
Did they all retire at the same time?
Have they been pinged by the Covid app?
Have they decided on a career change and gone pea picking?
. . . surely 100,000 out of 600,000 weren't foreign and gone home, leaving all those big wages behind |
Lorry drivers wages are £18.5k to £35k for a 50 hour week - not bad, but not "big", imho…
https://nationalcareers.service.gov....vehicle-driver
Also, about 30,000 HGV driving tests were lost last year because of the Covid pandemic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-57587253
So, any new drivers (which is what a lot would be, to make up the shortfall, would be earning £7.11 an hour for a 50 hour week, including evenings, weekends, and Bank Holidays (and when experienced, £13.46).
Woo hoo!! 
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Last edited by Hugh; 30-07-2021 at 15:28.
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30-07-2021, 15:30
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Here's a thought, maybe ARLA, a company that deals with deliveries to supermarkets (and we're pretty sure supermarkets won't pay top notch for this), pays their drivers a pretty low wage compared to other haulage firms.
As an example, taken from this Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arla_Foods_UK
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According to the BBC, in August 2015, farmers were paid less per pint of milk by Arla than by supermarkets that buy directly
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Assuming they do pay low wages, let's also assume that the drivers, seeing a shortage in other areas of haulage, have buggered off to better paid jobs, leaving ARLA in the lurch trying to complete their contracts with those really nice and considerate supermarkets 
All assumptions of course 
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30-07-2021, 15:38
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I agree - workers shouldn’t have to subsidise companies profits by having low wages.
btw, the lorry driver wages examples are industry wide, not just ARLA - £7 an hour is a crappy wage, especially when you have to work 50 hours a week to get it.
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30-07-2021, 15:59
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I agree - workers shouldn’t have to subsidise companies profits by having low wages.
btw, the lorry driver wages examples are industry wide, not just ARLA - £7 an hour is a crappy wage, especially when you have to work 50 hours a week to get it.
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Having just looked, Arla are recruiting drivers (or trying to), and offering £12.37 - £16.36 per hour depending on experience etc.
They also produce butter, cheeses, yoghurts etc (which use milk) for retailers . . which doesn't seem to be impacted (at least not mentioned) by a shortage of drivers?
edit: beaten by my colleague Sephiroth
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