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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Perhaps the jobs offered don’t match the applicants skillset, and the employers don’t want to train them?

Location issues too. The jobs may be based where people can't afford to live/perceive they can't afford to live or they have caring responsibilities that tie them to a restricted geography.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Location issues too. The jobs may be based where people can't afford to live/perceive they can't afford to live or they have caring responsibilities that tie them to a restricted geography.

Why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence offer a pea picking job in Lincolnshire to an unemployed person in Aberdeen or Central London?

Surely the staff behind the desks analyse the data they have before offering a job to someone

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

Why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence offer a pea picking job in Lincolnshire to an unemployed person in Aberdeen or Central London?

Surely the staff behind the desks analyse the data they have before offering a job to someone

Pretty sure we've had this or a very similar conversation before. People in residential areas who are on lower incomes perhaps don't have access to cars and there's a lack of suitable public transport to agricultural areas.

One of the components of the new REED program is that some participants will have driving lessons/tests paid for. I'm unsure what the qualifying criteria are however

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Pretty sure we've had this or a very similar conversation before. People in residential areas who are on lower incomes perhaps don't have access to cars and there's a lack of suitable public transport to agricultural areas.

But unemployed who live in agricultural areas probably will have some means of transport.

Those unemployed who live in residential areas will most probably have a means of transport to the factories/shops in their area.

Strange how the unemployed that engage in various illegal substance activities always seem to have transport at hand

[Pierre]

All this investment we are seeing leave the UK since Brexit, Oh................

https://news.sky.com/story/ellesmere...-vans-12349750

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

But unemployed who live in agricultural areas probably will have some means of transport.

Those unemployed who live in residential areas will most probably have a means of transport to the factories/shops in their area.

Strange how the unemployed that engage in various illegal substance activities always seem to have transport at hand

I'm sure there will be public transport to locations available, the issue is if it's available at the times needed for shift start/ends

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I'm sure there will be public transport to locations available, the issue is if it's available at the times needed for shift start/ends

If people want a job they'll find a way, if they don't want to work . . . they'll find an excuse

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

If people want a job they'll find a way, if they don't want to work . . . they'll find an excuse

It's very easy to people to spout 'word salad' such as the above. The reality is somewhat different.

If someone lives ten miles away from say a veg picking job, Their shift starts at 06:00 but the first public transport doesnt get them there until 07:00 (let's add in a twenty minute walk from where the bus stop is to the actual location of the work)

How would you find a way? Long term UC claimant, little money, can't afford to buy or run a car.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Carth

Those unemployed who live in residential areas will most probably have a means of transport to the factories/shops in their area.

That's not always true either.

In many cities and towns to travel across areas is not actually that easy as a lot of transport is aimed at funnelling people from the suburbs into the centre.

So depending where you work it can take hours to travel relatively small distances, and because of the fragmentation of public transport also may take multiple duplicate passes.

[Carth]

Fine, you've persuaded me that getting an unskilled job in the UK is very difficult and almost impossible under some circumstances.

I guess the best thing we can do is allow lots of foreign workers into the country so they can do them.

Oh hang on, wouldn't those same foreigners encounter exactly the same problems you've highlighted?

Originally Posted by Carth

If the the jobs offered don’t match the applicants skillset, that would be down to a mistake on the part of the person sending you for the job

However, I freely admit the skillset & training required to pick peas/flowers from a field, or stack boxes of frozen fish fingers onto a pallet, feed freshly plucked chickens into a gutting machine, or even restock shelves in a supermarket are well beyond the capabilities of many

The applicants apply for the jobs, not the JobCentre+…

[Carth]

*cough*

Originally Posted by Hugh

My wife worked at DWP, and a few of her friends worked at the JobCentre+ - they review the jobs applied for, check they match the "client’s" skillset, and then do random checks to employers.

But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinions…

They review the jobs the applicants said they applied for (after they had applied for them) - it is a post hoc review, not a preview (otherwise the jobs would be out of date, as JC+ visits are fortnightly).

*cough cough*

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Carth

Fine, you've persuaded me that getting an unskilled job in the UK is very difficult and almost impossible under some circumstances.

I guess the best thing we can do is allow lots of foreign workers into the country so they can do them.

Oh hang on, wouldn't those same foreigners encounter exactly the same problems you've highlighted?

Why not answer the question I've asked you?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Why not answer the question I've asked you?

Sorry, must have missed that during all the excitement

*How would you find a way? Long term UC claimant, little money, can't afford to buy or run a car.*

A) I'd walk, like I did when I was younger, 3 miles there and back until I had enough money for . .

B) A cheap pushbike, no need for a full bells n whistles £600 one, just a simple bike that gets you from home to work and back.

C) Car sharing, after the first week there's bound to be someone living fairly local (screw covid, it's a job)


of course, all of the answers above are irrelevant as we've now proven the foreigners can do it so much better can't they

edit: oh, and the walking to work bit, I did that when married with a 1 yr old child and a mortgage, just so you don't think it only applies to single people living in a bedsit.