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Old 01-07-2021, 19:16   #6181
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Re: Coronavirus

The first link is about funding for long Covid in younger people and which is a wide and vague term that can mean lots of things but it importantly says in that link

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While the majority of children and young people are not severely affected by COVID,
I expect better from a “ Researcher”

The second is a broken link.
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Old 01-07-2021, 19:29   #6182
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I don’t really consider the chicken pox analogy comparable. In any way, shape or form.
Of course you dont, you dont consider anything that doesnt fit your views.

Covid is just another virus, and in the grand scheme of all viruses, not a very dangerous one.
It just happened to be one we had zero immunity too, but that's no longer the case anymore.

There are many things out there more likely to make you seriously ill, or kill you, now.
In fact, given how much attention its got, and how many are now vaccinated, the annual killer [flu] may be more likely to get people next winter.
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The first link is about funding for long Covid in younger people and which is a wide and vague term that can mean lots of things but it importantly says in that link



I expect better from a “ Researcher”

The second is a broken link.
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-07/...ovid-every-day
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The data shows that 13% of under 11s and about 15% of 12- to 16-year-olds reported at least one symptom five weeks after a positive Covid-19 test.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...we-know-so-far
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As with adults, this syndrome can strike kids after a mild or even asymptomatic initial case of COVID-19, as well as with more severe disease. It is distinct from multi-inflammatory syndrome, or MIS-C, the rare, serious COVID-linked systemic inflammation that has sickened some 4,000 children and caused 36 deaths in the U.S. While that too strikes later, most experts consider it a separate condition.

How many kids have long-COVID?
No one knows exactly how many kids there are like Wednesday. But several small studies hint that it may be a significant number.

When researchers in Rome followed 129 kids (the median age was 11) who had been positively diagnosed with COVID-19, more than a half had at least one lingering condition after their supposed recovery. In those at least four months out, 14 kids, or more than 10 percent of the total, were still felled by three or more bothersome symptoms.

Australian researchers tracked 171 younger COVID-positive children (median age 3) and found that 8 percent reported post-COVID manifestations up to two months later. In this study, though, by six months all of them had recovered.

In early June, Dutch researchers conducted a survey of pediatricians in their country who said 89 youths in their care were affected. Most troubling, says study coauthor Caroline Brackel, a pediatric pulmonologist at Amsterdam University Medical Centers, was that in more than a third of these children, symptoms were serious enough to cause “severe restrictions in daily life, mostly due to excessive tiredness, problems concentrating, and difficulties breathing.”

Recognizing this burgeoning problem, the United Kingdoms’ National Health Service just announced that it will spend the equivalent of $138 million dollars to create treatment centers around the country and to educate pediatricians about long COVID care.

So far, no studies have documented the rate in the U.S., something Alicia Johnston, a pediatric infectious disease clinician at Boston Children’s Hospital, attributes to everyone’s early focus on older adults, who were most likely to become hospitalized or die. “We dismissed it as COVID doesn’t affect kids seriously, but now we realize they can have these lingering symptoms,” she says.

With more than 4 million children and adolescents in the U.S. testing positive for COVID so far—14 percent of total cases—it’s clear this could be a major problem for kids, families, schools, and society. (Case numbers in children, as for adults, have dropped markedly in recent weeks, but 14,500 positive children’s tests were reported last week.)
Because there are so many unknowns, but with the evidence mounting, I wouldn’t be so blasé.
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Old 01-07-2021, 20:36   #6184
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Of course you dont, you dont consider anything that doesnt fit your views.

Covid is just another virus, and in the grand scheme of all viruses, not a very dangerous one.
It just happened to be one we had zero immunity too, but that's no longer the case anymore.

There are many things out there more likely to make you seriously ill, or kill you, now.
In fact, given how much attention its got, and how many are now vaccinated, the annual killer [flu] may be more likely to get people next winter.
With the best will in the world Paul I do genuinely welcome new evidence (where available) and I’m more than happy to revise my viewpoint where required.

Unfortunately the emerging evidence has supported my initial suspicions rather than contradicted it. I posted often at the end of January/early February about the inevitably of variants reducing the already debatable efficacy of the Oxford vaccine. I also posted that we wouldn’t reach herd immunity if we were solely reliant upon it - now proven true as we need millions of natural infections.

I’m not contradictory for the sake of it.
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Yes but I stated, and you quoted back to me in bold

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There is nothing to suggest healthy unvaccinated children are at any increased risk of severe illness Happy to read any report/paper that does say that.
Whilst that report cites several unpleasant ongoing issues, but nothing I would describe as Severe.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...we-know-so-far

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Australian researchers tracked 171 younger COVID-positive children (median age 3) and found that 8 percent reported post-COVID manifestations up to two months later. In this study, though, by six months all of them had recovered.
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Because there are so many unknowns, but with the evidence mounting, I wouldn’t be so blasé.
Not being blasé, but the cases are low, the impacts are low. Given that the original post was about the general population being vaccinated and the risk of serious disease to unvaccinated young people being very low. You haven’t offered anything that substantially counters that point..
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Re: Coronavirus

As part of the door knocking in Leeds, we went to a house today where both parents have been fully vaccinated but the children (9 or 10 year olds by the look of one of them) have caught it at school and now the father is in hospital and the mother is 7 days in and still 'feeling rough'. She looked I'll and incredibly worried and had a coughing fit while talking to us so off for a PCR test we went!
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As part of the door knocking in Leeds, we went to a house today where both parents have been fully vaccinated but the children (9 or 10 year olds by the look of one of them) have caught it at school and now the father is in hospital and the mother is 7 days in and still 'feeling rough'. She looked I'll and incredibly worried and had a coughing fit while talking to us so off for a PCR test we went!
Maybe she was simply overwhelmed by the success of the vaccination programme. Can we reliably test for that?
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As part of the door knocking in Leeds, we went to a house today where both parents have been fully vaccinated but the children (9 or 10 year olds by the look of one of them) have caught it at school and now the father is in hospital and the mother is 7 days in and still 'feeling rough'. She looked I'll and incredibly worried and had a coughing fit while talking to us so off for a PCR test we went!
Well done for all for your door-knocking, that sounds like no easy number.
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Yes but I stated, and you quoted back to me in bold


Whilst that report cites several unpleasant ongoing issues, but nothing I would describe as Severe.






Not being blasé, but the cases are low, the impacts are low. Given that the original post was about the general population being vaccinated and the risk of serious disease to unvaccinated young people being very low. You haven’t offered anything that substantially counters that point..
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...we-know-so-far

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Every few weeks Wednesday has what her mother calls a wave of illness—three days to a week where she’s so tired she can barely sit up, her heart races, her head pounds, she sometimes spikes a fever, and, in the most recent wave, she had a seizure.
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Sufferers regularly complain of any number of ills, commonly fatigue, breathing difficulties, heart palpitations, headaches, muscle and joint pain, fever, dizziness, fatigue, brain fog, and more.
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In early June, Dutch researchers conducted a survey of pediatricians in their country who said 89 youths in their care were affected. Most troubling, says study coauthor Caroline Brackel, a pediatric pulmonologist at Amsterdam University Medical Centers, was that in more than a third of these children, symptoms were serious enough to cause “severe restrictions in daily life, mostly due to excessive tiredness, problems concentrating, and difficulties breathing.”

The NHS sets up specialist young people’s services because it’s not a issue?

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2021/06/n...are-expansion/
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Sites of long COVID Hubs for children and young people:

The Newcastle upon Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
South Tees NHS Foundation Trust
Sheffield Children’s NHS Foundation Trust
Leeds Children’s Hospital
Hull University Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
Alder Hey Children’s NHS Foundation Trust
Royal Manchester Children’s Hospital
Birmingham Women’s and Children’s NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust
Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Bristol Royal Hospital for Children
Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Queen Alexandra Hospital, Portsmouth
University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust
London hub led by the Evelina, Imperial, University College London Hospital (UCLH) and Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children (GOSH)
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The NHS sets up specialist young people’s services because it’s not a issue?
I didn’t say it wasn’t an issue. Just no evidence of “severe Illness”

But a few quotes again from your link. Which is an nothing more than an opinion piece really and focuses on the affects to a few children.

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No one knows exactly how many kids there are like Wednesday, But several small studies hint that it may be a significant number.
Nothing definitive there

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As one doctor told me, We’re all in the woods,” Melissa says.
3rd hand non-professional hearsay.

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Younger children not yet eligible for the vaccine get some protection when their parents and others around them are vaccinated
which is reassuring as we continue.

As a self proclaimed “researcher” it’s a pretty piss poor article with which to counter the point that kids are unlikely to be subjected to severe illness, which you haven’t.
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Loving your work here Pierre.

I enjoy restrictions and working from garden as much as the next bloke. The longer we can drag this out the better.

As OB says there’s some become addicted to furlough payments - the same can be said of the WFH brigade. Keep Covid prevalent enough for them to be kept out of major cities and off public transport systems. Saving hours per day and loads of money too. Might as well keep Covid rife and get another winter out of it.

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As part of the door knocking in Leeds, we went to a house today where both parents have been fully vaccinated but the children (9 or 10 year olds by the look of one of them) have caught it at school and now the father is in hospital and the mother is 7 days in and still 'feeling rough'. She looked I'll and incredibly worried and had a coughing fit while talking to us so off for a PCR test we went!
I wouldn't dare. I take it you (and anyone living with you) have been vaccinated.
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Well done for all for your door-knocking, that sounds like no easy number.
It's a full on job. Volunteered to do it and do feel we're making a difference, particularly to the few older and vulnerable people living in the midst of student land!

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I wouldn't dare. I take it you (and anyone living with you) have been vaccinated.
All fully vaccinated and taking lateral flow tests daily.

For anyone who knows the area, this was in one of the small leafy streets of terrace houses near the Headingley Arndale centre. The road in question had maybe 20 properties and we spoke to maybe half of them. Four of the properties we spoke to currently have Covid. Whilst this is still a student area it's nothing like the hellhole known as Hyde Park where it's out of control mostly thanks to the students:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-leeds-57643531

(I'm surprised at the quote of official figures saying 120 cases - my anecdotal evidence is a much higher figure)
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What if some clever Chinese boffin thought that messing around with spikes could increase virulence of a coronavirus?

It's unlikely that mass death would be their objective - for economic reasons. But disruption of non-Chinese economies could be calculated as desirable to their political aims.


If you wanted to muck around increasing the affinity of the spike protein with human ACE2 receptors, you would probably be better served playing around and improving spike proteins from coronavirus strains already known to infect humans such as SARS or MERS than some random one derived from bats.

I'm not saying it's impossible but if the lads in China did engineer this virus, their abilities in protein engineering are well beyond anything I am aware of. If that were the case, then the same skills would be well used to make an excellent vaccine rather than the 'bog standard' inactivated products from Sinovac and Sinopharm
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Re: Coronavirus

Just a heads up for anyone hoping to travel to the EU and, possibly USA, this summer.The Uk used 5,000,000 vaccinations of the AstraZenica vaccine produced in India. Unfortunately India did not apply for approval for their vaccinations to be used in the EU and anyone who had one of these jabs will not have their vaccination recognised when their paperwork is digitally checked.
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snippets.... The EU Digital Covid Certificate, which launched on Thursday, does not recognise a version of the AstraZeneca vaccine called Covishield, produced by the SII because it is yet to receive approval in Europe. ....up to five million doses of the version of the AZ jab in question have been administered in the UK and are identifiable by the vaccine batch numbers (4120Z001, 4120Z002, 4120Z003) included on recipients’ vaccine cards and in the Covid travel pass available via the NHS app, .....
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-01/...oduced-az-jabs

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I take part in the ZOE COVID Symptom Study and each week Tim Spector gives a report on their findings. This weeks video is worth watching ...( well IMHO anyway. )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngE6i3C4vM
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