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Mr K · 20-12-2020, 11:44

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Grant Shapps issues statement saying extra police will be deployed to Tier 4 to enforce travel restrictions.

Source BBC

Yes pen them all in. A few macine gun posts wouldn't go amiss.
We don't want the grotty plague ridden South Easterners spoling our green and pleasant land. Think we should make it permanent and declare independence. Could be the new Brexit....

1andrew1 · 20-12-2020, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes pen them all in. A few macine gun posts wouldn't go amiss.
We don't want the grotty plague ridden South Easterners spoling our green and pleasant land. Think we should make it permanent and declare independence. Could be the new Brexit....

Many Home Counties types and Londoners now walk amongst you after hearing BoJo's latest u-turn.

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Crowded trains from St Pancras as people flee London

https://news.sky.com/video/crowded-t...ondon-12168043

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Travel: Rail chaos as Londoners scramble to leave Tier 4

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-leave-tier-4/

nomadking · 20-12-2020, 12:20

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You think new evidence appeared in 3 days about a strain that has been around for months?

Dr Susan Hopkins (PHE) on impact of new variant: (today on Ridge on Sunday)

-'No signals' of increased mortality in SE.
-No disproportionate admissions to hospital or disproportionate increases in mortality.

"Disproportionate" means to the number of cases regardless of variant.
The rates of mortality etc may be similar for both variants, but if this newer variant spreads more easily, then that inevitably leads to more cases, leading to more deaths etc.

mrmistoffelees · 20-12-2020, 13:14

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Originally Posted by pip08456

You think new evidence appeared in 3 days about a strain that has been around for months?

Dr Susan Hopkins (PHE) on impact of new variant: (today on Ridge on Sunday)

-'No signals' of increased mortality in SE.
-No disproportionate admissions to hospital or disproportionate increases in mortality.

Nobody is arguing about the mortality/admission rates have changed. This is about the increased transmission capability.

Carth · 20-12-2020, 13:16

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Nobody is arguing about the mortality/admission rates have changed. This is about the increased transmission capability.

How is that measured with any accuracy?

**Hugh** · 20-12-2020, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Carth

How is that measured with any accuracy?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...ation-12161566

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It was initially found in a patient in September, Dr Hopkins said, with full genome sequencing being returned in October.

At first, there was "nothing to particularly highlight that this was something of major concern, as variants come and go", she added.

But by late November, scientists were struggling to understand why COVID-19 infections in Kent and Medway were not being lowered by national restrictions.

"Detailed clinical, behavioural and epidemiological investigations" were carried out, Dr Hopkins said, including whole genome sequencing, and a cluster of the new variant was found to be spreading in those areas.

The government was notified on Friday 11 December, after which further work was carried out to understand what was happening.

Scientists subsequently discovered that the new strain was "much more transmissible than the other variants in circulation", Dr Hopkins said.

"That made us hugely concerned and we notified government on Friday (18 December)," she added.

That was the first time "all of the evidence came together".

**Mick** · 20-12-2020, 13:56

Phew. About 10 posts needed fixing with their quotes out of whack, members posting quotes that other members hadn't said, that others had said instead.

Thread re-opened. Try not to leave open/dead quote tags in a post as it can lead to this problem.

Pierre · 20-12-2020, 14:00

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The article Pip is referencing, and your comment is based on has been superseded and is no longer relevant.

Still relevant to me.

Mad Max · 20-12-2020, 15:10

The year is 2025. The UK is in tier 53, only people named Colin who were born on a Tuesday can leave the house. Anyone over 31 must be wrapped in clingfilm over weekends.You MUST go into work unless you probably shouldn't.
Schools are still open.

Carth · 20-12-2020, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

The year is 2025. The UK is in tier 53, only people named Colin who were born on a Tuesday can leave the house. Anyone over 31 must be wrapped in clingfilm over weekends.You MUST go into work unless you probably shouldn't.
Schools are still open.

. . . and the last pub in England that remains standing has been classified as a site of historical interest, with millions of ~~mourners~~ visitors expected yearly

Sephiroth · 20-12-2020, 15:20

So is it migrants arriving in Kent?

Carth · 20-12-2020, 15:31

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So is it migrants arriving in Kent?

If they're driving lorries, yes probably

**Damien** · 20-12-2020, 15:46

The advice the government was given is out: https://khub.net/documents/135939561...=1608470511452

Don't understand a lot of it but understand this line is bad:

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Studies of correlation between R-values and detection of the variant: which
suggest an absolute increase in the R-value of between 0.39 to 0.93.

**Paul** · 20-12-2020, 15:56

Exactly how does it transmit more easily ?

pip08456 · 20-12-2020, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Damien

The advice the government was given is out: https://khub.net/documents/135939561...=1608470511452

Don't understand a lot of it but understand this line is bad:

It's not been definatively proven though so still a reasonably high degree of speculation.

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In summary, NERVTAG has moderate confidence that VUI-202012/01 demonstrates a substantialincrease in transmissibility compared to other variants.