President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Stephen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44409775
G7: Trump says Russia should be part of summit

Looks like the donalds handlers have been exerting influence again

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I reckon he messed up because his mind is elsewhere. He's thinking about the Korea gig and how he could go down in history if he pulls it off.

Wouldn't the thing most likely not to pull it of be to have already shown a carefree attitude to treaties and agreements

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Wouldn't the thing most likely not to pull it of be to have already shown a carefree attitude to treaties and agreements

That would be sensible and logical but I'm not sure that Trump thinks that strategically. I think he was tired and focused on Korea and was just lashing out a bit in frustration as he prefers one-to-one meetings.

Finally, a President that stands up to Canada - after all, they did burn down the White House!

Originally Posted by Hugh

Finally, a President that stands up to Canada - after all, they did burn down the White House!

Technically speaking, if you studied your history, rather than google searching all the time. Canada had British Colony’s status, Trump is partly correct. The British burned down the White House in 1812, in retaliation because part of it’s other “British Colony”, Canada, had been attacked by the U.S.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Mick

He did not mess up - he stood up to other world leaders who are trying to fleece the U.S on trade tariffs, fancy that, a leader of his own nation standing up to others and putting his own country first for a change which is exactly what he campaigned on.

Exactly. And Trump stated that his is aim is reciprocal free trade amongst all nations. This is exactly what May is trying to do with the EU and other trade deals after Bexit.


Trump was right to blame previous administrations. Obama is a supporter of global government, and a strong America is a problem for the globalsts. Hillary Clinton is of the same view as Obama. Thank God that Hillary lost the Presidential election.

Originally Posted by Mick

He did not mess up - he stood up to other world leaders who are trying to fleece the U.S on trade tariffs, fancy that, a leader of his own nation standing up to others and putting his own country first for a change which is exactly what he campaigned on.

We apply the same tariffs they do.

Do you think we should retaliate and apply higher tariffs on US imports in response or just take it since it's Trump?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Technically speaking, if you studied your history, rather than google searching all the time. Canada had British Colony’s status, Trump is partly correct. The British burned down the White House in 1812, in retaliation because part of it’s other “British Colony”, Canada, had been attacked by the U.S.

The best bits about this thread are the tortuous lengths Mick will go to defend Trump.

So, let's get this clear: the British soldiers led by General Ross (also British) commanding a 4,500-man army, composed of the 4th (King's Own) Light Infantry, the 21st Royal North British Fusiliers, 44th (East Essex) Regiment of Foot, and 85th Regiment of Foot who burnt down the White House as part of the Burning of Washington were not British at all, they were Canadians.

Got it ..

You have a choice, if you find what I say tortuous, don’t read the thread, it’s not hard. I won’t stop standing by what I say here, because you or others don’t like it.

It was the British who burnt down the White House.

Good explanation here on the misconception it was Canada: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistoria...rned_down_the/

"Saying the Canadians burnt down the White House is as true as saying the Australians burnt down the White House, because they were both part of the British Empire."

Can’t say Australia because it’s on other side of the planet. Canada is right above the U.S. Trump was partly right, but got his wires crossed it was burned down because it was in retaliation to the U.S attacking Canada. So Canada is still in the equation as to why the White House got burned down.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Can’t say Australia because it’s on other side of the planet. Canada is right above the U.S. Trump was partly right, but got his wires crossed it was burned down because it was in retaliation to the U.S attacking Canada. So Canada is still in the equation as to why the White House got burned down.

Well they are definitely in line for a Nuking then !

I think the Canadian PM is cool, he's the only one that's really standing up to Trump. He's the opposite of the weak leader Trump portrays. Tariffs on the US and their Russian friends all round I say.

I think he’s a coward, made false assurances and only went back on them after Trump left for Singapore.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

You have a choice, if you find what I say tortuous, don’t read the thread, it’s not hard. I won’t stop standing by what I say here, because you or others don’t like it.

and miss all the fun, no chance!

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Originally Posted by Mick

Can’t say Australia because it’s on other side of the planet. Canada is right above the U.S. Trump was partly right, but got his wires crossed it was burned down because it was in retaliation to the U.S attacking Canada. So Canada is still in the equation as to why the White House got burned down.

Fake News! The British burned down the White House. Trump is an idiot ..

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

The best bits about this thread are the tortuous lengths Mick will go to defend Trump.

So, let's get this clear: the British soldiers led by General Ross (also British) commanding a 4,500-man army, composed of the 4th (King's Own) Light Infantry, the 21st Royal North British Fusiliers, 44th (East Essex) Regiment of Foot, and 85th Regiment of Foot who burnt down the White House as part of the Burning of Washington were not British at all, they were Canadians.

Got it ..

The only casualties suffered were in the Canadian militia iirc I'd still say it was the British that did it though, was Canada even a country then...

Originally Posted by ianch99

and miss all the fun, no chance!

Fake News! The British burned down the White House. Trump is an idiot* ..

* In your opinion.

P.S They burned it down and Canada was the reason why/Cause. I will not back down from this correct assertion.

The Historical facts are....

U.S Attacked part of Canada.... (During the time in which Canada was part of and under British rule/territory).

In retaliation around 1812, Brits burned down the White House. Canada was under British rule from 1763 – 1867.

In truth, this is probably a case where the “fake news media” is being too hard on Trump. Canadian forces were belligerents in the war, and not on the American side. Nitpicking about whether those forces were specifically involved in the attack on Washington is a little bit beside the point.

So what happened? Did Canada burn the White House?

The centerpiece of American military strategy was a plan to invade and conquer a significant portion of what is now Canada.

At the time, however, there was no such country as Canada. Instead, the territory in question was two separate British colonies — Upper Canada, roughly corresponding to modern-day Ontario, and Lower Canada, roughly corresponding to modern-day Quebec.

American leaders assumed that this conquest would be a cakewalk (Jefferson called it “a matter of marching”), but the United States lacked a professional military and had essentially no local support. A large share of English-speaking Canadians were, at the time, Loyalist émigrés who had fled the United States during the Revolutionary War. French-speaking Canadians, meanwhile, though not necessarily huge fans of British rule were largely conservative and Catholic — distrusting both the American republic and its revolutionary ally in France.

The various invasion forces were beaten back rather easily, and Britain was then able to use its dominant sea power to mount a successful military campaign in the Chesapeake Bay area. This amphibious assault managed to free thousands of enslaved African Americans and to briefly capture the city of Washington and burn the White House.

From a British point of view, however, the essential problem of the war was that the empire had no real capacity to mount a durable occupation of American territory — territory that was vast, distant from London, and peripheral to the empire’s main interest in beating France. The Treaty of Ghent that ultimately ended the war was fairly favorable to the United States, especially on the impressment issue, and featured the British agreeing to return various pieces of territory in Maine and around the Mississippi River that they’d seized during the war. The United States, meanwhile, obviously didn’t succeed in taking over Canada.

In terms of the specifics of Trump’s contention, it does not appear that Canadians were literally involved in the capture of Washington. But Canadians did fight in the war, they fought on the British side, and Canada-related issues were very central to the conflict. The nation of Canada, however, did not exist at the time, and it was decades before the US gave up on the idea of conquering Canadian territory and incorporating it.

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/7/1743499...ouse-burn-1812