President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

[Arthurgray50@blu]

What members don't realise is that there are two things to talk about.

1) The steel business. Trump is a business person. NOT a President. All he thinks of is MONEY. And what he can make for America. He's running it like a business. He will ruin the great reputation that America has with the rest of the world. He is already walking the tightrope with Mexico on building the damn wall. Most of the workers in America come from Mexico - cheap labour. And yet he wants to ban them.

He has banned several nations nationals from entering the country.

2) Its already been proven that what he is like around women. And no a Model has the bottle to come out against the President. Its already been PROVEN that money was paid to shut her up. And he calls it fake news.

Trump is the worst President ever. I thought that Clinton was bad by saying he didn't have sex with that woman.

But this time a woman has come forward to say that she was paid to keep quiet

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

It’s the other way around. The EU is imposing tariffs in response to Trump’s tariffs on steel.

The best solution is to negotiate a deal as Canada did.
Knee-jerk reactions just don't help the US; we saw recently that Electrolux suspended work on a new factory there because of the potential US tariffs on steel which would increase the costs of all steel sold in the USA, not just imported steel. https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...eel/391059002/

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Sanctions on Russia have been quite successful if nothing else Putin has had to slash the defence budget alienating quite a few high ranking military officers as the cuts have meant much reduced orders for new equipment and the combat readiness in all but a few showpiece formations is continuing to plummet. It has also limited the ways Russia interferes in sovereign states on it's borders all is not well within Russia despite what the official propaganda and paid social media trolls might try to pretend.

You're right but thanks to Trump not implementing Congress's sanctions (why bite the hand that feeds?) there's little disincentive for Russia not to meddle in the US's affairs via social media.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The best solution is to negotiate a deal as Canada did.
Knee-jerk reactions just don't help the US; we saw recently that Electrolux suspended work on a new factory there because of the potential US tariffs on steel which would increase the costs of all steel sold in the USA, not just imported steel. https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...eel/391059002/

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You're right but thanks to Trump not implementing Congress's sanctions (why bite the hand that feeds?) there's little disincentive for Russia not to meddle in the US's affairs via social media.

Really Andrew. Which deal would that be?

Canada is seeking an exemption to new U.S. trade restrictions on aluminum and steel, and is vowing to retaliate if it's slapped with any new tariffs.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called the proposal "absolutely unacceptable," echoing the phrase used by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland yesterday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stee...rump-1.4558967

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What members don't realise is that there are two things to talk about.

1) The steel business. Trump is a business person. NOT a President. All he thinks of is MONEY. And what he can make for America. He's running it like a business. He will ruin the great reputation that America has with the rest of the world. He is already walking the tightrope with Mexico on building the damn wall. Most of the workers in America come from Mexico - cheap labour. And yet he wants to ban them.

If all he thinks about is money then wtf has he dropped down the rich list?

He is not taking a Salary while in office and has donated 1 Million Dollars during the hurricane disasters last year.

Cheap Labour is bad, wake up Arthur, cheap Labour drives down wages and stops legitimate jobs being filled by legal citizens.

He has banned several nations nationals from entering the country.

And rightfully so, they don’t have legitimate security checks at their borders, in these countries that was btw, a list formed by the Obama Administration.

As for the rest of your post about him being worst President, he has been in office over a year, he is fulfilling his election pledges, jobs growth is up, economy is doing great and that’s all people who voted for him care about.

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Can you name one American President that hasn't lied about something to the American people?

Either lied or kept information from the public.

President Kennedy is one such case, whilst trying to depict himself a young and healthy candidate during his election campaign, was far from it, medical records from the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library, show he had a number of complex conditions. He was very secretive of his health issues, through fear he would be declared medically unfit for office.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Can you name one American President that hasn't lied about something to the American people?

Its part of their DNA as why tell the truth when one can lie and get away with it....

There is a suggestion Canada and Mexico will be excluded from the steel tariffs, hopefully the UK too.

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Originally Posted by Mick

As for the rest of your post about him being worst President, he has been in office over a year, he is fulfilling his election pledges, jobs growth is up, economy is doing great and that’s all people who voted for him care about.

Economy isn't going to do so great if he speaks a trade war with America's biggest customers.

Originally Posted by pip08456

Can you name one American President that hasn't lied about something to the American people?

Can you name another recent President who, when asked a direct question about something, has lied about it?

Not vacillated, misled, prevaricated, kept information secret, but outright lied in response to a specific question like this one has?

I feel if President Obama had paid hush money to a stripper just before his election and then she sued him, the GOP in Congress might have held a hearing about that?

Originally Posted by Hugh

Can you name another recent President who, when asked a direct question about something, has lied about it?

Not vacillated, misled, prevaricated, kept information secret, but outright lied in response to a specific question like this one has?

I feel if President Obama had paid hush money to a stripper just before his election and then she sued him, the GOP in Congress might have held a hearing about that?

No because they would not be chasing every bull shit headline every two minutes and Trump didn’t pay any hush money, if you read the reports properly.

There is plenty of things coming out now that Obama could have done, to mislead, and also was unconstitutional, DACA being one of them, GOP should have held a hearing on that for sure, because he abused his power, interesting that in that the last few days, a Federal Judge in Maryland has said Trump Admin can legally rescind DACA.

Uranium One is being reinvestigated due to a key witness now being allowed to testify.

We got the FISA Abuses under Obama’s watch. The targeting of a Political opponent, to spy on their election campaign, using a Crooked Hillary & Democrat funded Dossier as the source. (Far worse than Watergate).

We got the scandal of Obama reportedly, letting Hezbollah off the hook.

The ‘Fast and Furious’ Documents are to be released now by DOJ, this scandal when former Attorney General Eric Holder, another Obama appointee, who was slapped with a ‘Contempt of Congress’ for withholding requested information.

And Obama lied on TV saying he did not talk to his FBI on pending cases, ever, period, yet we got text messages from disgraced FBI Agents stating President Obama wanted to know ‘everything they were doing’.

There is always 'plenty coming out about Obama' that never seems to lead to grounds for an investigation let along a finding. They always seem to come from Republican congressmen or in some cases Twitter.

And of course this 'far worse than Watergate' thing. Watergate led to imprisonments, impeachment, a resignation. Then the Republican written memo doesn't allege Obama/Clinton intentionally created this Dossier to spy on Trump (who wasn't wiretapped himself) but it's now apparently fact.

But whatever. If there is evidence investigate it, I'm not Obama's lawyer.

The question here is about Trump who's currently the President.

Originally Posted by Damien

There is always 'plenty coming out about Obama' that never seems to lead to grounds for an investigation let along a finding. They always seem to come from Republican congressmen or in some cases Twitter.

And of course this 'far worse than Watergate' thing. Watergate led to imprisonments, impeachment, a resignation. Then the Republican written memo doesn't allege Obama/Clinton intentionally created this Dossier to spy on Trump (who wasn't wiretapped himself) but it's now apparently fact.

But whatever. If there is evidence investigate it, I'm not Obama's lawyer.

The question here is about Trump who's currently the President.

Deflection tactics, only answer Mick ever seems have in his defence of Trump.

Originally Posted by Damien

There is always 'plenty coming out about Obama' that never seems to lead to grounds for an investigation let along a finding. They always seem to come from Republican congressmen or in some cases Twitter.

And of course this 'far worse than Watergate' thing. Watergate led to imprisonments, impeachment, a resignation. Then the Republican written memo doesn't allege Obama/Clinton intentionally created this Dossier to spy on Trump (who wasn't wiretapped himself) but it's now apparently fact.

But Mick if Obama ' had paid hush money to a stripper just before his election and then she sued him' it would have been outrageous. Clinton having an affair and lying about it was a massive thing on here but suddenly that behaviour isn't so bad....

It is being investigated by the OIG, but he does not have powers to prosecute, that’s why a second special counsel is being requested.

It did not quite lead to impeachment, Nixon resigned on the back of a potential removal from office. Watergate was a botched break in, it was all the subsequent actions of coverups, Saturday night massacre that got Nixon in hot water.

You are forgetting, Clinton had the affair while in office, literally, in the Oval Office. Trump is suppose to have had this so called fling, over ten years ago, on his own time, as a private citizen. What a private citizen gets up to for their own sexual gratification, as long as it was legal and consensual, is their own business surely?

You would have a point if the President was partaking in extra sexual encounters, while in public office and then lying about it, you know, just like Bill Clinton, who was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate for doing such a thing.

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana

Deflection tactics, only answer Mick ever seems have in his defence of Trump.

Rubbish.

Got nothing of substance to add as usual I see. You’re like a broken down record. I will not stop pointing out hypocrisy where I see it. If you don’t like it, stop reading the thread FFS.

Originally Posted by Mick

You would have a point if the President was partaking in extra sexual encounters, while in public office and then lying about it, you know, just like Bill Clinton, who was impeached in the House, but acquitted in the Senate for doing such a thing.

I don't actually care if someone has an affair as a private citizen or President. To be honest it's private either way so you can view it a morally failing whenever they did it or you can shrug it off either way. There is a question about the abuse of power but Clinton's real problem wasn't even that he lied but that he lied under oath. Which is different, which is why he was in trouble in a way Trump won't be.

But as a moral matter I don't see them being different but then I don't care that much. It's not news Trump has had affairs.

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't actually care if someone has an affair as a private citizen or President. To be honest it's private either way so you can view it a morally failing whenever they did it or you can shrug it off either way. There is a question about the abuse of power but Clinton's real problem wasn't even that he lied but that he lied under oath. Which is different, which is why he was in trouble in a way Trump won't be.

But as a moral matter I don't see them being different but then I don't care that much. It's not news Trump has had affairs.

I would say having Sex in the Oval Office, in the White House, is not appropriate and not ok to do. Had Clinton done this in the private residence, of the White House might have been less of an issue. It would be like John Bercow having a quickie on the benches in the Commons. These are areas owned by the public. What he got up to in his private chambers, wouldn’t be an issue also.

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't actually care if someone has an affair as a private citizen or President. To be honest it's private either way so you can view it a morally failing whenever they did it or you can shrug it off either way. There is a question about the abuse of power but Clinton's real problem wasn't even that he lied but that he lied under oath. Which is different, which is why he was in trouble in a way Trump won't be.

But as a moral matter I don't see them being different but then I don't care that much. It's not news Trump has had affairs.

But the news is that he lied about having the affair, paid off someone just before the election, and since then, as President, has lied about it.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But the news is that he lied about having the affair, paid off someone just before the election, and since then, as President, has lied about it.

To be honest, most people would not admit having an affair. I don't care whether The Donald has had affairs or not, that's his business. As long as it doesn't diminish the office of President, he can have as many affairs as he likes as far as I'm concerned.

Don't think it did Berlusconi much harm!