Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
04-06-2019, 12:38
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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The BBC actually make new programmes, a heck of a lot more than Sky/VM. That's what costs money.
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So where does all the non-BBC stuff come from? Even the BBC buy in programmes and co-produce with others.
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04-06-2019, 12:48
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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I wonder though how many people do consume the BBC without knowing about it? Or how happy people would be with a purely commercial system and what that really means?
I don't resent license fee, don't really notice it but if income was dropped I can afford the license but not all the other stuff that adds up.
And with insertion of ad's into catchup/OD what will people think then about ad free content from the BBC?
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You do realise that you could have a streaming service for the cost of the licence fee, don't you, and you would get about £70 quid change!
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Even though you don't need a licence, these services have to be funded. They might just disappear without a licence fee.
We might be going round in circle with BBC threads. But worth pointing out it's £13 a month, for mostly unique quality content, plus all the extra non TV services. It compares very favourably with Sky/VM subs, who are mostly showing repeats/imported content or reruns of BBC stuff !
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Maybe, but no-one is compelled to subscribe to Sky.
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04-06-2019, 12:55
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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Even though you don't need a licence, these services have to be funded. They might just disappear without a licence fee.
We might be going round in circle with BBC threads. But worth pointing out it's £13 a month, for mostly unique quality content, plus all the extra non TV services. It compares very favourably with Sky/VM subs, who are mostly showing repeats/imported content or reruns of BBC stuff !
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l absolutely agree Mr K but you cannot make a horse go to water as the old saying goes.
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04-06-2019, 13:04
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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l absolutely agree Mr K but you cannot make a horse go to water as the old saying goes.
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Well, I suppose you can, but you can't force it to drink it 
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04-06-2019, 18:49
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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You do realise that you could have a streaming service for the cost of the licence fee, don't you, and you would get about £70 quid change!
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Maybe, but no-one is compelled to subscribe to Sky.
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You could. But assuming your tv is capable of showing BBC then you need to pay the license.
You are in favour of streamers having cheap/free services with ads and dearer service without ads.
Surely the same could apply yo the BBC and scrap the license?
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04-06-2019, 18:58
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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You could. But assuming your tv is capable of showing BBC then you need to pay the license.
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Wrong! The "offence" is ACTUALLY watching broadcast TV, not possession of equipment capable of watching broadcast TV. I could own a million TVs capable of watching the BBC, switched on and running and still not commit an offence. That is why they have to catch you actually watching it.
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04-06-2019, 18:59
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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Wrong! The "offence" is ACTUALLY watching broadcast TV, not possession of equipment capable of watching broadcast TV. I could own a million TVs capable of watching the BBC and still not commit an offence. That is why they have to catch you actually watching it.
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They have obviously changed it then, even being able to record it was an offence.
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04-06-2019, 19:04
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
True recording a live TV broadcast is also an offence without a licence but how could you prove that a recording was actually made at an address that did, or did not, have a valid licence? Impossible.
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04-06-2019, 19:28
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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They have obviously changed it then, even being able to record it was an offence.
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It was changed ages ago. Being able to record it is an offence.
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04-06-2019, 20:46
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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True recording a live TV broadcast is also an offence without a licence but how could you prove that a recording was actually made at an address that did, or did not, have a valid licence? Impossible.
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I don't suppose it would be too difficult to prove with VM customers, but not for the free platforms, as I assume that VM will have a record of the serial number of the boxes installed for customers.
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05-06-2019, 09:10
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
I was thinking more of recordings made on portable media rather than say a TIVO. Even then on the TIVO you would have to prove that the recording was made live rather than on demand.
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05-06-2019, 09:17
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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I was thinking more of recordings made on portable media rather than say a TIVO. Even then on the TIVO you would have to prove that the recording was made live rather than on demand.
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You cant record on demand? While it might not be enough in itself, the fact you're paying Virgin to access the TiVo box and TV services COULD prove you are watching live TV.
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05-06-2019, 10:21
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
PVR, DVD rec, HHD rec etc. Most smart TV's can record to a USB device what you're watching.
You also might have the TV service, which incudes radio channels and OD, available as part of a package to save money. Not actual proof.
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05-06-2019, 12:21
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
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PVR, DVD rec, HHD rec etc. Most smart TV's can record to a USB device what you're watching.
You also might have the TV service, which incudes radio channels and OD, available as part of a package to save money. Not actual proof.
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Do those work with TiVo? And even if they do, you don't need a licence to watch on demand apart from iPlayer.
That's why I said could. You'll have a hard time convincing a court that you pay for VM or Sky TV but don't use it to watch live TV. Will be even harder if paying for Sky Sports or Movies.
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05-06-2019, 16:19
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Re: Crackdown as the number of homes without a TV licence increases to 7%.
A lot of people pay magazine subscriptions or gym memberships and never use the products they are paying for.
When I first got cable, I had Sky, but took the basic cable TV service too as it was cheaper because it attracted a new customer offer.
As you say though, if people have got Sports/Cinema too it does look more suspicious.
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