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Old 21-11-2020, 11:34   #76
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And vice versa, it depends who is Doing the judging.
Iím not really sure it does to be honest. Unless youíre accusing the Civil Service of bias in the process.
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That said you've made it clear you think a Conservative can fundamentally be held to a different standard than a Labour politician. Which to any reasonable person would be a ridiculous notion.
I'm sure we've all noted that you have been pretty silent about the outbursts that were reported from Gordon Brown back in the day.

The thing is, the Home Office civil servants on the whole are pretty useless, and have been for many years. I seem to recall a certain Labour Home Secretary saying the Home Office was 'not fit for purpose'.

I can quite understand the frustration Priti Patel must have felt with that lot and I'm not at all interested in their childish bleating that someone actually required them to do their jobs.
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I'm sure we've all noted that you have been pretty silent about the outbursts that were reported from Gordon Brown back in the day.

The thing is, the Home Office civil servants on the whole are pretty useless, and have been for many years. I seem to recall a certain Labour Home Secretary saying the Home Office was 'not fit for purpose'.

I can quite understand the frustration Priti Patel must have felt with that lot and I'm not at all interested in their childish bleating that someone actually required them to do their jobs.
You sound like a bit of a bully yourself OB

This isn't the first bullying case she's been involved with. A bad workman/woman blames her tools. She has a history of not delivering wherever she goes. Promoted beyond her talents and taking it out on those around her.
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You sound like a bit of a bully yourself OB

This isn't the first bullying case she's been involved with. A bad workman/woman blames her tools. She has a history of not delivering wherever she goes. Promoted beyond her talents and taking it out on those around her.
As a manager myself, I have never had any warnings given to me about bullying my staff. But your comment does seem to clarify my suspicion that many people seem to think that criticism is bullying.

If that is the case, all of us on this forum are guilty as hell!
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As a manager myself, I have never had any warnings given to me about bullying my staff. But your comment does seem to clarify my suspicion that many people seem to think that criticism is bullying.

If that is the case, all of us on this forum are guilty as hell!
Neither of us have seen the details. Those that have have found her guilty of bullying and breaking the ministerial code. No one else has stayed in their job after doing that.

A weak and desperate for friends PM.
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]Neither of us have seen the details. [/B]Those that have have found her guilty of bullying and breaking the ministerial code. No one else has stayed in their job after doing that.

A weak and desperate for friends PM.

Kinda weakens your comment about her bullying.
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Kinda weakens your comment about her bullying.

The official report kinda doesn't though.
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Promoted beyond her talents and taking it out on those around her.
I am very sure that you are not qualified to make that assessment.
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The official report kinda doesn't though.
Was that from the snowflakes?
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Was that from the snowflakes?

If you believe Sir Alex Allan is a "snowflake".
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I'm sure we've all noted that you have been pretty silent about the outbursts that were reported from Gordon Brown back in the day.

The thing is, the Home Office civil servants on the whole are pretty useless, and have been for many years. I seem to recall a certain Labour Home Secretary saying the Home Office was 'not fit for purpose'.

I can quite understand the frustration Priti Patel must have felt with that lot and I'm not at all interested in their childish bleating that someone actually required them to do their jobs.
I’m quite sure absolutely nobody noticed that, and nobody has asked me.

That said it’s expected from you to simply deflect, deflect, deflect in defence of Tories at all costs.

There’s no evidence of childish bleating but it’s a common theme among the Tories on here to underplay the issue and simply blame the Civil Service.

The most recent thread I can find on Gordon Brown is from 2010 when I wasn’t frequently on the forum.
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Neither of us have seen the details.
Yet You are an expert on assessing her talent.

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Those that have have found her guilty of bullying
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No one else has stayed in their job after doing that.
John bercow? Valerie Vaz? Gordon Brown? There’s 3 and Fergus Ewing MSP, if we’re allowed to include him makes 4.
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I am very sure that you are not qualified to make that assessment.
Nor are you qualified to prove that she is competent. It’s an assumption grounded in your political bias.
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Nor are you qualified to prove that she is competent.
??? And.......?

I havenít made that assertion. Such a childish response.
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??? And.......?

I haven’t made that assertion. Such a childish response.
It’s not a childish response it’s a verifiable fact. You’re assuming she’s competent because she’s a Tory and it suits your narrative. Yet she appears to find herself encountering problems that other Conservative Ministers, dare I say more competent Ministers, have not.

Her breach of the Ministerial Code isn’t “alleged”. The report says she did.

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To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the ministerial code, even if unintentionally.

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