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Old 20-11-2020, 21:49   #61
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

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Hmm, contradictory evidence now arising which says she was advised about her behaviour before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55015493
Part of her defence seems to be no one told her she was being a bully. If the above us correct, then that's a lie.

If she's telling the truth, then its hard to expect someone who is being bullied to complain to the bully.

It might be as simple as she's not up to the job and takes it out on everyone around her. Can anyone list her achievements/talents? Maybe just supporting Brexit was enough to be promoted?
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

The last paragraph is irrelevant. The rest is just generalisations no specifics.

I would to have details on specific instances.

Only because Mrs Pierre works in the construction industry, and has done for the last 25 years, and believe me what she has been through, throughout and even as recent as this year would make your eyes water.

She rolls with it.
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The last paragraph is irrelevant. The rest is just generalisations no specifics.

I would to have details on specific instances.

Only because Mrs Pierre works in the construction industry, and has done for the last 25 years, and believe me what she has been through, throughout and even as recent as this year would make your eyes water.

She rolls with it.
The specifics would be in the full report - if you ask BoJo nicely, he may let you see it.

Not sure that inappropriate behaviour in one line of work excuses it in another. - actually, I am sure it doesn’t...
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The specifics would be in the full report - if you ask BoJo nicely, he may let you see it.
It's all been dealt with, she'll probably go on a half day course with lunch provided
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It's all been dealt with, she'll probably go on a half day course with lunch provided
Sounds like potential widespread fraud...
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It's all been dealt with, she'll probably go on a half day course with lunch provided
And then come back to the day job, in which she can't deliver.

She'll be gone after the next cock up. Something to do with boats and asylum seekers I predict.
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

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The specifics would be in the full report - if you ask BoJo nicely, he may let you see it.

Not sure that inappropriate behaviour in one line of work excuses it in another...
No, of course not, but I would like to see what this definition of “bullying” is, compared to what Mrs Pierre has experienced throughout her career.

There’s “bullying”, discrimination and intimidation, there is also just telling people home truths, being brutally honest and not suffering fools.

The latter can be misconstrued to be the former.
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

Interesting for this to almost perfectly fall down to party lines. Would be curious to see if it was a Labour minister if the same people would be on the same sides.
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No, of course not, but I would like to see what this definition of “bullying” is, compared to what Mrs Pierre has experienced throughout her career.

There’s “bullying”, discrimination and intimidation, there is also just telling people home truths, being brutally honest and not suffering fools.

The latter can be misconstrued to be the former.
If the report concerned telling people home truths, being brutally honest and not suffering fools, then I'm sure it would see the light of day.
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Interesting for this to almost perfectly fall down to party lines. Would be curious to see if it was a Labour minister if the same people would be on the same sides.
it would be wrong no matter what party person that did it is in

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The specifics would be in the full report - if you ask BoJo nicely, he may let you see it.

Not sure that inappropriate behaviour in one line of work excuses it in another. - actually, I am sure it doesn’t...
would not hold your breath on that Hugh he had it on his desk since July

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Interesting for this to almost perfectly fall down to party lines. Would be curious to see if it was a Labour minister if the same people would be on the same sides.
To some degree, it always comes down to party lines.

Jeremy Corbyn is either the defender of minorities and warm cuddly protector or the weak, or a Jew hating economy wrecker.

In regards to this situation, I have sympathy for a woman having to project herself into an arena that is fundamentally male, pale and stale. If she has ruffled comfortable civil servants and upset them, so much the better for me, and if they complain about it it wouldn’t be without a hint of hypocrisy in my opinion.

That said we have no detail, and unless we get that detail everything else is speculation, nothing more.

So pointless discussing it until we know more.
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To some degree, it always comes down to party lines.

Jeremy Corbyn is either the defender of minorities and warm cuddly protector or the weak, or a Jew hating economy wrecker.

In regards to this situation, I have sympathy for a woman having to project herself into an arena that is fundamentally male, pale and stale. If she has ruffled comfortable civil servants and upset them, so much the better for me, and if they complain about it it wouldn’t be without a hint of hypocrisy in my opinion.

That said we have no detail, and unless we get that detail everything else is speculation, nothing more.

So pointless discussing it until we know more.
Well it doesn't really - the conduct of Ministers is either right or wrong regardless of who is in post.

There's no evidence any of the complaints against Patel came from anyone male, pale or stale. Neither is there any evidence she merely 'ruffled feathers' - nor does it appear to be the first complaint.

If Civil Servants aren't up to it there are performance management processes and if they are going as far as going out their way to obstruct the work of Ministers on the basis of the gender or race of said Minister this would be a clear breach of the Civil Service Code. However there's actually no evidence that this was the case. None.

I agree there's no point in really discussing it further, as you've made up your mind and essentially admitted that if it was a Labour minister you'd probably feel differently.
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Well it doesn't really - the conduct of Ministers is either right or wrong regardless of who is in post.
I nearly spat my beer out, that was so funny.
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I nearly spat my beer out, that was so funny.
Do watch that when you are near electrical equipment.

Unsure what's particularly entertaining about it though, it's a basic part of any functioning democracy to have an impartial Civil Service operating without Ministers, perhaps promoted beyond their capability as there's no real qualification criteria or performance management process, resorting to bullying and harassment.

That said you've made it clear you think a Conservative can fundamentally be held to a different standard than a Labour politician. Which to any reasonable person would be a ridiculous notion.
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That said you've made it clear you think a Conservative can fundamentally be held to a different standard than a Labour politician. Which to any reasonable person would be a ridiculous notion.
And vice versa, it depends who is Doing the judging.
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