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Old 20-11-2020, 12:49   #1
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PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ignored

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Boris Johnson has ruled that Priti Patel did not breach the ministerial code following an inquiry into bullying accusations against her.

However, the prime minister's ruling was immediately followed by the resignation of Sir Alex Allan, the government's independent adviser on standards, who authored the report.

He said: "I recognise that it is for the prime minister to make a judgement on whether actions by a minister amount to a breach of the ministerial code.

"But I feel that it is right that I should now resign from my position as the prime minister's independent adviser on the code."

A government source said Sir Alex resigned because the prime minister ignored his advice.
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

oh diddums . .

maybe he didn't make his case strong enough
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

Another snowflake goes into meltdown and throws a hissy fit.
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

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Another snowflake goes into meltdown and throws a hissy fit.
What's the point in being a government's standards adviser when whatever outcome just gets overridden when it suits. Kind of a pointless position to be in.
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

What's the point of being a Minister or manager, if you're not allowed to tell somebody off for doing a bad job?
No wonder the civil service is riddled with ineptitude.
Perhaps she should've thrown phones at people, or grabbed them, or turfed somebody out of their chair. Or is that just ok for Labour MPs and Labour Ministers?

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What's the point in being a government's standards adviser when it whatever outcome just gets overridden when it suits. Kind of a pointless position to be in.
Exactly. Basically, it's like the head of HR being over-ruled by the managing director of a company.

You have no credibility in that role if your advice is not followed. So you either stay there to just collect the money as a yes-man with no credibility, or you resign.
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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign

It's good to know that bullying is apparently completely acceptable for politicians. I assume Conservative MPs who condemned John Bercow for bullying will withdraw their condemnations now that Boris Jonson says bullying is OK
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What's the point of being a Minister or manager, if you're not allowed to tell somebody off for doing a bad job?
No wonder the civil service is riddled with ineptitude.
Perhaps she should've thrown phones at people, or grabbed them, or turfed somebody out of their chair. Or is that just ok for Labour MPs and Labour Ministers?
Bullying is bullying is bullying - no matter who does it to who.

The fact thats its been done by a Govt. Minister, who has repeatedly broken the ministerial code (and is also incompetent), makes it a farce she's still in the job.

This has got all the signs of Cummings again, hanging on his mates whatever... Then eventually having to get rid when they make cock up, after cock up.
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Bullying is bullying is bullying - no matter who does it to who.

The fact thats its been done by a Govt. Minister, who has repeatedly broken the ministerial code (and is also incompetent), makes it a farce she's still in the job.

This has got all the signs of Cummings again, hanging on his mates whatever... Then eventually having to get rid when they make cock up, after cock up.
Its pretty reprehensible that some still seem to think that bullying is acceptable in whatever form bullying takes...
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Bullying is bullying is bullying - no matter who does it to who.

The fact thats its been done by a Govt. Minister, who has repeatedly broken the ministerial code (and is also incompetent), makes it a farce she's still in the job.

This has got all the signs of Cummings again, hanging on his mates whatever... Then eventually having to get rid when they make cock up, after cock up.
How else are people expected to tell a civil servant when they've made a mess of things? It is the civil servants that can never be got rid of.
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How else are people expected to tell a civil servant when they've made a mess of things? It is the civil servants that can never be got rid of.
She's been found guilty of bullying behaviour by an inquiry. What bit don't you understand ?

If someone doesn't meet their objectives then they can lose their job (even civil servants).
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It's good to know that bullying is apparently completely acceptable for politicians. I assume Conservative MPs who condemned John Bercow for bullying will withdraw their condemnations now that Boris Jonson says bullying is OK


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Bullying is bullying is bullying - no matter who does it to who.

The fact thats its been done by a Govt. Minister, who has repeatedly broken the ministerial code (and is also incompetent), makes it a farce she's still in the job.

This has got all the signs of Cummings again, hanging on his mates whatever... Then eventually having to get rid when they make cock up, after cock up.
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She's been found guilty of bullying behaviour by an inquiry. What bit don't you understand ?

If someone doesn't meet their objectives then they can lose their job (even civil servants).
What about if the minister doesn't meet her objectives because of obstruction by the civil servants with whom she eventually loses patience?

That seems to be what the investigation has determined.

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