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I hate Jonathan Pie. It's the same routine each and every time and he never even understands the underlying points. There is one where he is whining about moral/social messages in films and says this brilliant line "It's the politicisation of art and therefore the end of art". Idiot.
It will make things worse. Imagine the arguments if 'Remain' won but with a much lower turnout.
The referendum has been held already. Another one would solve nothing, even if Leave won it. The remainers would still want to stay and would find new ways to have yet another referendum.
We know the pathetic game they are playing.
It will make things better. A well informed electorate will make a choice based on facts and not speculation. Said referendum will either affirm the first result or overwhelmingly reject it. No person who claims to value democracy can deny that.
Far from pathetic it’s adding value to the process.
Another referendum with clearly defined choices and a clearly defined percentage requirement to achieve victory would solve the situation perfectly.
Saying that remainers are playing pathetic games because it doesn’t fit with your political beliefs just shows your true colours for all to see
What if they have another referendum and the choices given lets say 6 and they are all pretty close what do we do? Just go with the one with the highest votes regardless or argue that the next one down is 8 people away from a win?
I hate Jonathan Pie. It's the same routine each and every time and he never even understands the underlying points. There is one where he is whining about moral/social messages in films and says this brilliant line "It's the politicisation of art and therefore the end of art". Idiot.
So you think the points he makes are wrong. Interesting ...
I think he understands the underlying points more than most. More than Cameron ever did.
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This may have been posted before but the DUP* are now saying a one-year Brexit delay would be better than agreeing PM's deal.
As a counter to this the Moggster is changing his mind (apparently something he can do but the country can't) and will back TM's deal. I guess they are now afraid of losing Brexit all together so they now see this as better than nothing.
I do think May is slowly browbeating Tory MP's to back her deal but if she can get near the number she needs, how does she get over the Bercow ruling?
* described today on Twitter as the Political Wing of the Old Testament
Old rees smugg needs to have a good look at himself imo, this deal was so bad a month ago he tried to bring down the pm, it's not changed, if it was that bad then he shouldn't be voting for it now
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Another referendum with clearly defined choices and a clearly defined percentage requirement to achieve victory would solve the situation perfectly.
Saying that remainers are playing pathetic games because it doesn’t fit with your political beliefs just shows your true colours for all to see
Also shows a pretty poor grasp of English to describe these "games" as pathetic seeing as they're getting what they want, if anyone is looking vulnerable, miserable, inadequate or pitiful it's not them
What if they have another referendum and the choices given lets say 6 and they are all pretty close what do we do? Just go with the one with the highest votes regardless or argue that the next one down is 8 people away from a win?
The most popular choice of any six is remain. Any two leave positions vying for second is about seven million votes shy.
If there’s a single leave position with 16 million votes I’d gladly support it.
very interesting and how come JRM changing his mind isn’t an affront to democracy yet it would be if the people change theirs?? brexiteer hypocrisy
He's not changed his mind, Dave, he's just been forced into answering a different question. May's deal or no Brexit.
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Another referendum with clearly defined choices and a clearly defined percentage requirement to achieve victory would solve the situation perfectly.
Saying that remainers are playing pathetic games because it doesn’t fit with your political beliefs just shows your true colours for all to see
So not content with letting Parliament take over from Government, you now want the general public to take over the business of governing from Parliament.
Interesting. Good luck with that.
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Originally Posted by ianch99
I think the speed you slip into the pejorative shows that you are worried. You should be. If the Hard Brexiters do not swallow their pride, lose face and sign up to Mrs May's deal then they will lose the prize. We will get a watered down Brexit and maybe no Brexit at all.
Even, *gasp*, JC is now uttering phrases like "MPs should consider public vote on Brexit deal".
Things like the Petition and the March in London will vividly remind the MP's in Parliament that they need to vote in the country's interests and conclude this debacle with a solution that tries to be inclusive to both sides and failing that, asks the people to make the final decision.
Of course, everyone is worried. I agree that the Brexiteers need to sign up to May's deal. Given that 'no deal' has been ruled out, the Withdrawal Agreement is the only way to deliver what the electorate voted for.
He's not changed his mind, Dave, he's just been forced into answering a different question. May's deal or no Brexit.
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So not content with letting Parliament take over from Government, you now want the general public to take over the business of governing from Parliament.
Interesting. Good luck with that.
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Of course, everyone is worried. I agree that the Brexiteers need to sign up to May's deal. Given that 'no deal' has been ruled out, the Withdrawal Agreement is the only way to deliver what the electorate voted for.
Mogg knows May's Brexit is worse than Remaining, but is financially reliant on any form of Brexit.
When even ardent Leave supporters can see Remaining until another day is better than May's deal, maybe parliament should re-think the whole process.
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The ERG has been playing for No Deal because they think that’s the best outcome and because they thought it was achievable.
They still think it’s the best outcome, but now they know it’s not achievable. Mogg is correct to say that Brexit is a process, not an event. The single most important thing we can do right now is to regain sovereign control over everything we have surrendered to the acquis over the last 40 years. Certain actions may continue to be limited on our part by treaty, but bilateral treaties that can be renegotiated or terminated in the national interest are an entirely different proposition than the acquis communautaire, which all member states are obliged to accept in its entirety without possibility of withdrawing from bits of it.