Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan - Page 7

jfman · 17-08-2021, 12:34

Capitalism in action. Human lives are simply another commodity from which to extract usefulness before discarding. Especially the non-white ones.

On the plus side with their use of bribery, presumably using drug money, at least the Taliban are learning how to make effective use of their limited resources.

mrmistoffelees · 17-08-2021, 12:46

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One argument that was discussed on TV this morning is where will they go when we struggle to even look after our own.

Do we struggle? Or, as an example. do we set policy, then choose not to help. unless a footballer gets involved and there's a public outcry ?

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I don't think we do.

Why don't we? we're partially responsible for mess the country finds itself in.

TheDaddy · 17-08-2021, 12:59

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The UK got involved regardless of whether we thought it was a bad idea or not.

We were obligated to be involved, another NATO country was attacked, mind you that was back in the day when our word meant something

Carth · 17-08-2021, 13:03

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Do we struggle? Or, as an example. do we set policy, then choose not to help. unless a footballer gets involved and there's a public outcry ?

Oh yes, we're struggling alright.

Social services, Elderly care & support, Health services, Housing, Education, Disability support, Mental health, Unemployment, Policing . . . just a few of the areas that don't have the resources needed.

And before people mention that these (or any) refugees will fill vacancies in key areas . . how are we going to pay them if we can't afford to recruit anyone now?

mrmistoffelees · 17-08-2021, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Carth

Oh yes, we're struggling alright.

Social services, Elderly care & support, Health services, Housing, Education, Disability support, Mental health, Unemployment, Policing . . . just a few of the areas that don't have the resources needed.

And before people mention that these (or any) refugees will fill vacancies in key areas . . how are we going to pay them if we can't afford to recruit anyone now?

Pretty much all of those apart from unemployment are due to ‘austerity’ by central government.

I presume you havent seen today’s employment figures ?

nomadking · 17-08-2021, 13:17

And when in the past 1,000 years was Afghanistan peaceful?

1andrew1 · 17-08-2021, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Carth

Oh yes, we're struggling alright.

Social services, Elderly care & support, Health services, Housing, Education, Disability support, Mental health, Unemployment, Policing . . . just a few of the areas that don't have the resources needed.

And before people mention that these (or any) refugees will fill vacancies in key areas . . how are we going to pay them if we can't afford to recruit anyone now?

We're one of the richest countries in the world so there's no question of whether we can afford to fund these services. It's a question of whether we choose to.

papa smurf · 17-08-2021, 13:52

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And when in the past 1,000 years was Afghanistan peaceful?

1933 to 1973

nomadking · 17-08-2021, 14:14

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1933 to 1973

Under a single ruler(Mohammed Zahir Shah), who was prepared to quash the tribal revolts that occurred. The central point being, all the revolts, assassinations, etc had nothing to do with the "West", it was all their own doing. They didn't coexist peacefully. Sny "rebels" didn't have the numbers/firepower to overturn things. Nowadays they do.

Carth · 17-08-2021, 14:23

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Pretty much all of those apart from unemployment are due to ‘austerity’ by central government.

I presume you havent seen today’s employment figures ?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We're one of the richest countries in the world so there's no question of whether we can afford to fund these services. It's a question of whether we choose to.

I guess you'd both like the coffers to open up and release a never ending stream of £Billions into the country then?

Let me be the first to congratulate you both on advising the Govt to borrow a fortune to send into a black hole with no discernible return. There's a reason for austerity measures . . . not that I'm going to mention bankruptcy (ooops I did) or the 40% tax hike on those who work for a living

mrmistoffelees · 17-08-2021, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Carth

I guess you'd both like the coffers to open up and release a never ending stream of £Billions into the country then?

Let me be the first to congratulate you both on advising the Govt to borrow a fortune to send into a black hole with no discernible return. There's a reason for austerity measures . . . not that I'm going to mention bankruptcy (ooops I did) or the 40% tax hike on those who work for a living

I'm fairly sure it's been proven multiple times that austerity didn't work.

Would you have an issue with the money being used on the new 'British Flagship' which if i remember correctly is approx circa. £200m being used to support Afghan refugees coming to the country?

There's also no evidence to support that there would be 'no discernible return'

Are you advocating that those who worked with UK forces should in essence be left to fend for themselves, knowing that this could mean their deaths?

Carth · 17-08-2021, 15:01

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I'm fairly sure it's been proven multiple times that austerity didn't work.

Would you have an issue with the money being used on the new 'British Flagship' which if i remember correctly is approx circa. £200m being used to support Afghan refugees coming to the country?

There's also no evidence to support that there would be 'no discernible return'

Are you advocating that those who worked with UK forces should in essence be left to fend for themselves, knowing that this could mean their deaths?

They can always join the many UK people already unemployed and homeless, and who are also in need of help . . would that fit in with your moral indignation better?

jfman · 17-08-2021, 15:03

There’s irony that we can’t find money to support the Afghans but if they killed about 3000 folk we (the west) world find a few trillion dollars to blow them off the face of the earth.

Carth · 17-08-2021, 15:06

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Originally Posted by jfman

There’s irony that we can’t find money to support the Afghans but if they killed about 3000 folk we (the west) world find a few trillion dollars to blow them off the face of the earth.

Armaments, big cash earner

mrmistoffelees · 17-08-2021, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Carth

They can always join the many UK people already unemployed and homeless, and who are also in need of help . . would that fit in with your moral indignation better?

You failed to answer the question regarding the 'British Flagship'

Moral indignation? Absolutely, people's lives are genuinely at risk in this situation. I don't think we should throw them away like yesterday's jam (c) IT Crowd.

In my local area the only people who are homeless are those that choose to be homeless, possibly due to conditions in hostels etc. but there are more empty (but renovated properties) than there are genuinely homeless people. and thats with my area having a significantly higher number of refugees than the UK average.