Parliament to be recalled re: Taliban in Afghanistan - Page 13

Carth · 23-08-2021, 03:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Cashed their pay cheques? Wait, they've not been paid for months!

They can't all play for Derby, surely

noel43 · 23-08-2021, 07:38

[QUOTE=TheDaddy;36090609]And not to mention without the Iraq distraction things might have turned out better, bozo should tell him he'll take no criticism from him and he should be in The Hague imo

Yes but not such a brave soul to send other people's children to war based on lies[/QUOT

Especially when his wife said she would never let their son join the army.

papa smurf · 23-08-2021, 08:18

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Cashed their pay cheques? Wait, they've not been paid for months!

Let's hope Johnson's pleas work.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...fter-31-august

I would quietly walk up behind old fart and stab him in the back.

Pierre · 23-08-2021, 09:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a brave soul who argues that the current withdrawal from Afghanistan is anything but a failure, so much as I dislike Blair I agree with him on this matter.

I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, I am just pointing out that Blair (given his past actions) should stay out of it.

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Originally Posted by Carth

It does beg the question though, of how long we (or the US) should have stayed there.

We should have left about 18 years ago, after we had gone in and got rid of the Al Qaeda training camps and weakened the Taliban.

But we just stayed there, became and occupying force and let the Taliban recover.

heero_yuy · 23-08-2021, 09:56

There was some Labour clot on Sky Breakfast this morning saying that we should be making safe passages through Kabul for refugees. I wonder how he thinks this could be done seeing as there are thousands of Taliban armed to the teeth round the airport?

It would rapidly escalate into a bloody conflict with our troops getting slaughtered.

1andrew1 · 23-08-2021, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, I am just pointing out that Blair (given his past actions) should stay out of it.

He's a stakeholder as he and Bush took us into Afghanistan. To suggest he says "no comment" when asked about the situation would not work with the World's media.

Jaymoss · 23-08-2021, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, I am just pointing out that Blair (given his past actions) should stay out of it.

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We should have left about 18 years ago, after we had gone in and got rid of the Al Qaeda training camps and weakened the Taliban.

But we just stayed there, became and occupying force and let the Taliban recover.

Just proves people do not learn from past mistakes. Vietnam was the same. Cease Fire VC regroup and attack rinse and repeat then quit, this has just been spread over more years.

Crazy to think an allied force with their hands tied with rules of combat would ever do better than a Soviet force with free reign

1andrew1 · 23-08-2021, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Just proves people do not learn from past mistakes. Vietnam was the same. Cease Fire VC regroup and attack rinse and repeat then quit, this has just been spread over more years.

Crazy to think an allied force with their hands tied with rules of combat would ever do better than a Soviet force with free reign

Don't know how much free reign the Soviet forces had or how experienced they were.

Apparently lots of Soviet teenager soldiers were sent there on their first mission. The deaths of relatively young soldiers there contributed to the unpopularity of the USSR amongst its peoples and helped its 1989 demise.

Jaymoss · 23-08-2021, 12:14

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Don't know how much free reign the Soviet forces had or how experienced they were.

Apparently lots of Soviet teenager soldiers were sent there on their first mission. The deaths of relatively young soldiers there contributed to the unpopularity of the USSR amongst its peoples and helped its 1989 demise.

Well their hands were not tied like ours was as for experience the Army had held a fair few counties in its iron grip since WWII as for who they sent I dunno. I certainly would not be surprised if some of our dead were young inexperienced troops on their first mission. I know a friend of mine who was in the TA served a short period of time in either Iraq or Afghan I cannot remember which ( have a feeling it might have been the first Iraq war )

Pierre · 23-08-2021, 13:35

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He's a stakeholder as he and Bush took us into Afghanistan. To suggest he says "no comment" when asked about the situation would not work with the World's media.

He had no choice in regards to Afghanistan as that was a NATO operation, and subsequently a UN operation, as a NATO member had been attacked by a terrorist organisation that was based in Afghanistan, and we should have left as soon as that operation to remove Al Qaeda from Afghanistan had been completed.

Iraq was Bush and Blair going off reservation, fabricating a reason to invade another sovereign nation and will forever be a stain on the history.

1andrew1 · 23-08-2021, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Pierre

He had no choice in regards to Afghanistan as that was a NATO operation, and subsequently a UN operation, as a NATO member had been attacked by a terrorist organisation that was based in Afghanistan, and we should have left as soon as that operation to remove Al Qaeda from Afghanistan had been completed.

Iraq was Bush and Blair going off reservation, fabricating a reason to invade another sovereign nation and will forever be a stain on the history.

Yup, but my point is that whilst people criticise him for speaking out now, he can't get away with "no comment".

Carth · 23-08-2021, 15:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yup, but my point is that whilst people criticise him for speaking out now, he can't get away with "no comment".

True, wouldn't be a story with 'no comment', and he's never backed away from some good media exposure

Pierre · 23-08-2021, 20:37

Like this wasn’t going to happen.

https://news.sky.com/story/afghanist...ation-12389001

**Chris** · 23-08-2021, 22:21

Would it be fanciful to wonder whether this is the backup plan NATO and its allies wouldn’t ever acknowledge …. Mujahideen-style resistance fighters acting as a thorn in the side of the Taliban regime? A few well-placed special forces to train them and maybe even do a little occasional fieldwork?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58239156

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An anti-Taliban resistance group in Afghanistan says it has thousands of people ready to fight.
Ali Nazary, head of foreign relations for the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan (NRF), told the BBC they want to pursue peaceful negotiations.
But, he added, "if this fails... then we're not going to accept any sort of aggression".

Pierre · 24-08-2021, 08:12

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Originally Posted by Chris

Would it be fanciful to wonder whether this is the backup plan NATO and its allies wouldn’t ever acknowledge …. Mujahideen-style resistance fighters acting as a thorn in the side of the Taliban regime? A few well-placed special forces to train them and maybe even do a little occasional fieldwork?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58239156

It wouldn’t be the first time