Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[icsys]

ISP review has a news story on the AGM protest but it was published before the event.

They have also picked up on the story that the EU has Threatened UK with European Court Over Phorm Failings (Just added to Digg)
A footnote to this story states that a summary of yesterdays anti-Phorm protest outside BT's Annual General Meeting is available on nodpi.org

[Deko]

Anyone want a job on the inside.

Vacancy Title: Senior Information Officer (SIO) - Office for Security and Counter Terrorism

Location(s): London

Reference: 4578
Department: Home Office
Salary: £35543 - £41809

Brief description: The Office for Security and Counter Terrorism (OSCT) was set up in 2007 to bring greater coherence and drive to the Government's aim to reduce the risk to the UK and its interests overseas from international terrorism. The OSCT is also responsible for overseeing the delivery of the Government's counter terrorism objectives through partnership with a range of Government departments and other agencies.

The IMP which sits within OSCT has been established by the Home Office in response to the rapidly changing communications environment and in particular the move toward Internet Protocol (IP) based networks. The IMP has been set up to deliver a programme which will maintain the UK's capability to obtain and exploit Lawful Intercept (LI) product and Communications Data (CD) during and beyond the change over from circuit-switched to IP based networks. The programme is a major, multi year undertaking incorporating the efforts of a broad community of stakeholders.
It will also be utilising a range of new technologies and techniques.



Working Arrangement(s): Full Time, Job Share, Part Time Closing Date: 4 August 2008 More Information:

http://careers.civil-service.gov.uk/...ideDocID=42392


Maybe the FOI HO respsonse might shed some light on the whole phorm/HO speculated involement.

[BetBlowWhistler]

Originally Posted by Deko

Senior Information Officer (SIO) - Office for Security and Counter Terrorism
£35543 - £41809

This is why they don't have anyone decent doing this stuff within government - they pay crap wages.

No offence meant to anyone who's trade doesn't reach these levels, but I would have thought they would have to double that amount in the private sector to get someone worth their salt.

[tarka]

BT to begin further trials of ad technology

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/34c59420-5...077b07658.html

"Carphone Warehouse’s Talk Talk and Virgin Media have also run trials."

A misinformed journalist perhaps or is there more to it?

"Gavin Patterson, head of BT Retail, told the group’s annual general meeting that customers would again have to opt-in for the service." (my bold emphasis)

Isn't this more deliberate misinformation? The previous trials were not opt in... they didn't even have an opt out!

[Deko]

Maybe someone can phone up the press offices for the other ISP and ask them outright about the trials refered to in the FT article.


any takers on that, maybe someone could get el Reg to call them up?

[icsys]

Originally Posted by tarka

BT to begin further trials of ad technology

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/34c59420-5...077b07658.html

"Carphone Warehouse’s Talk Talk and Virgin Media have also run trials."

A misinformed journalist perhaps or is there more to it?

"Gavin Patterson, head of BT Retail, told the group’s annual general meeting that customers would again have to opt-in for the service." (my bold emphasis)

Isn't this more deliberate misinformation? The previous trials were not opt in... they didn't even have an opt out!

It seems that article is full of mis-information.
Remember that the Financial Times have expressed interest in joining the OIX.

[rryles]

www.phorm.com seems to be down. Can anyone confirm?

[davews]

Originally Posted by rryles

www.phorm.com seems to be down. Can anyone confirm?

Confirmed....

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by tarka

BT to begin further trials of ad technology

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/34c59420-5...077b07658.html

"Carphone Warehouse’s Talk Talk and Virgin Media have also run trials."

A misinformed journalist perhaps or is there more to it?

"Gavin Patterson, head of BT Retail, told the group’s annual general meeting that customers would again have to opt-in for the service." (my bold emphasis)

Isn't this more deliberate misinformation? The previous trials were not opt in... they didn't even have an opt out!

Oh dear - more errors

"BT will begin further trials in the next few weeks" - they've been saying that since March. Care to name the day? As the song goes, "For Gavin's sake, get me to the trials on time"

"Carphone Warehouse’s Talk Talk and Virgin Media have also run trials." - really? How interesting. I'm sure the ICO and the customers would like to know about that. Perhaps even VM and CPW would like to know too.Or were you referring to small scale intranet "lab trials" and hoping we were asleep?

"customers would again have to opt-in for the service." - when did customers ever get the chance to opt-IN previously? They never even had the chance to opt-OUT. They just got snooped on covertly. so let's ignore that FALSE UNTRUTHFUL word "again" shall we Gavin? Let's admit the truth and say the last time you did a trial it was COVERT, and the customers not only didn't get asked for consent, when they DID contact BT, they got told porkies. (ask Stephen Mainwaring)

"He added that the Information Commissioner had also cleared the technology of breaching data laws."

- Really?

Which Information Commissioner was that?

The one who said that there had probably been a "technical" breach? I don't remember any Information Commissioner giving the covert trials a clean bill of health on the area of legality. In fact he said, in a letter to BT on 30th May 2008 (part of the FOI bundlefrom Dephormation's request)

"Whilst it does appear likely that a technical breach of the requirements of the Regulations occurred in the 2006 and 2007 trials, there is no evidence to suggest significant detriment to the individuals involved." (and Stepeh Mainwaring's evidence as to his having suffered significant detriment is now with the ICO and police)

Come on Gavin. Start taking some truth pills. This sort of statement from a highly paid BT exec is nothing short of disgraceful. Talk about "economical with the truth". It's downright stingy. It certainly won't wash in the police interviews.

[Deko]

Tracing to www.phorm.com yup busted.

Had to remove the first couple of hops as it would identify my workplace.


EDIT: Just spoken to gyron it seem they have no problems with their network, well no MSO's . so maybe phorm have taken the boxes offline for some reason.

I didn't try any social engineering to dig further as that would be wrong

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|                          195.66.224.185 -    1 |  113 |  112 |    0 |    1 |   78 |    0 |
|    te3-1.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com -    6 |  113 |  107 |    0 |    4 |   63 |   31 |
|                             149.6.2.130 -    6 |  113 |  107 |    0 |    6 |  156 |   16 |
|              89-145-106-198.as29017.net -    2 |  113 |  111 |    0 |    1 |   16 |    0 |
|              89-145-113-194.as29017.net -   48 |  113 |   59 |    0 |    2 |   16 |    0 |
|                   No response from host -  100 |  113 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
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[jtechs]

and webwise.com

[rryles]

So phorm can't keep a single static web site up. It doesn't give me much faith in there ability to look after millions of internet connections. If phorm's kit in the isp goes down you can bet your entire net connection will go down with it (probably even if you are not opted in).

[tdadyslexia]

<Wishful thinking>
Maby Phorm is Closing up Shop.
</Wishful thinking>

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by jtechs

and webwise.com

And the BT-Webwise sites also down (the ones run by Phorm but that BT say don't get any of our PII)
http://webwise.bt.com/

(except for the mirror on BT's own system, at
http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...=CON-WEBWISE-I
which I think BT may have forgotten is there
(I love the end of that domain name!! - CON-WEBWISE)

[jtechs]

Originally Posted by tdadyslexia

<Wishful thinking>
Maby Phorm is Closing up Shop.
</Wishful thinking>

same, but I was thinking raid by ICO/Police..