Brexit discussion

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Is it possible to also include a link to the original content? It is always informative to see the origin and what context the information is presented in.

Here you go https://twitter.com/CorbynistaEdith

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Here you go https://twitter.com/CorbynistaEdith

Many thanks! Interesting that a few hours ago, the owner of the poll tweeted:

It's clear to me that this poll has been hijacked by bots. I've looked at some of the comments and those acoounts only have a handful of followers and only tweet pro Brexit messages. Please help @Twittersupport

I'm convinced that a large number of my followers are fake bot accounts. I'm currently looking into how I can detect this and get them removed.

I am surprised that people are taking Twitter polls seriously ..

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am surprised that people are taking Twitter polls seriously ..

Exactly, it won't let me vote just because I'm not signed up to twitter*. How undemocratic is that ?

Have to say Corbyn wiped the floor with Theresa today at PMQ's. Easy target though, as she still doesn't have a clue what she's going with Brexit or her infighting party.

Talk of shortages in the shops and fuel before Brexit day, start stocking up now. I've got an allotment, I'm ok for veg ! Dig for V̶i̶c̶t̶o̶r̶y̶ Brexit

* [Admin Edit: Use proper names and don't use extremely bad language as the name for something!]

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Many thanks! Interesting that a few hours ago, the owner of the poll tweeted:





I am surprised that people are taking Twitter polls seriously ..

Micks a bot, explains a lot

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Micks a bot, explains a lot

You're a poet and you didn't know it !

Originally Posted by Damien

Isn't that a Twitter poll? If you make a point of ignoring polls where they're conducted by professionals who get a representative sample it's a bit much to then cite a Twitter poll.

Nope because I found the poll interesting in which the creator, a Remainer, asked a leading poll question and got responses she did not like, given she is now suggesting her poll has been hacked - polls don't get hacked, it gets re-tweeted around for better sample size. It now has over 14K votes and the results are still fairly similar to my screen grab from this morning.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope because I found the poll interesting in which the creator, a Remainer, asked a leading poll question and got responses she did not like, given she is now suggesting her poll has been hacked - polls don't get hacked, it gets re-tweeted around for better sample size. It now has over 14K votes and the results are still fairly similar to my screen grab from this morning.

Some chap on this forum has a totally different opinion on Twitter polls:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2367

Twitter is not an accurate place to gauge any kind of accurate assessment, given anyone in the whole world could have voted on that poll, giving an erroneous set of results.

I wonder who this was?

Wow you're good at searching for old posts - however, irrelevant though - Finding the poll 'interesting', which I have said why, is a lot different to trusting the result, which I never said I did.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wow you're good at searching for old posts - however, irrelevant though - Finding the poll 'interesting', which I have said why, is a lot different to trusting the result, which I never said I did.

Wow, you could stand in for the Donald anytime Mick

Originally Posted by Mr K

Wow, you could stand in for the Donald anytime Mick

Well actually, I can't, I don't meet the status as a natural-born citizen of the United States, which is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of President or Vice President.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Well actually, I can't, I don't meet the status as a natural-born citizen of the United States, which is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of President or Vice President.

They had a Kenyan in office until Trump won so I reckon a Brit could get away with it too.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Wow you're good at searching for old posts - however, irrelevant though - Finding the poll 'interesting', which I have said why, is a lot different to trusting the result, which I never said I did.

You are right, let's not "gauge any kind of accurate assessment" shall we? Let's stick to what we see around us and that is a total shambles.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They had a Kenyan in office until Trump won so I reckon a Brit could get away with it too.

I think at the time of his birth, had Obama been a Kenyan he would have actually been a Brit, or was he born after Independence?

(Not that he was a Kenyan, lol...case anyone though this exchange was based on anything but humor).

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Originally Posted by Damien

Isn't that a Twitter poll? If you make a point of ignoring polls where they're conducted by professionals who get a representative sample it's a bit much to then cite a Twitter poll.

Yeah on a political site I admin there used to be a poster who would just compile his own graphs, upload them as attachments, and cite them for the purpose of pointing towards them as empirical data for financial and economic data. It was working fine for him until someone questioned where he got the data, then the gig was up for him.

In regards to polling at least Twitter / non bot related activity is at least based on human activity to some extent and not just totally made up the way he was doing it though for the most part he was not citing polling data.

The problem with this day and age is that it comes down to the old adage of "no, but my friend is"...kind of shame.

I.e. Question:

Would you not vote for / support Sajid Javid as he is brown (to become the next Tory leader / PM)

Answer:

No

Question:

Would any of your friends / family refuse to vote for / support Javid as he is brown (to become next Tory leader / PM)

Answer:

Absolutely!

The advantage of questioning like that in the first person is that generally if it involves a contentious issue people prefer to remain anonymous. So in some ways, places like social media, are a safe haven - they can do it without leaving a trail of who they are.

So, looking at the way the likes of Farage / Rees Mogg etc are treated, it is a lot easier not to admit to having similar views as them than be tarred with the same abuse usually.

That is why I was saying to Mick, to hell with what the popular thinking is. I support JRM 100% of the way. I don't agree with him on anything to do with the EU, but I don't care one single bit. I am a Catholic and so is he ; he is opposed to abortion in all circumstances and would defend the faith any day - I hope he takes over the leadership of the party and becomes PM.

Even if it wasn't perfect for me, it is his principle that I love. He won't flip flop / cow tow to the latest fade and you know where he stands.

In that sense, I am proud of my views / would defend them any day - some folks rather do it through the prism of anonymity too, and that to me is more of a sign of the issues we discuss / their nature than the validity of the poll every single time.

I still stand by the fact that a lot of entities are bias in their views ; Daily Mail and Express are two that come to mind. They use traditional methods of polling where they at least know the details of those polled - even if they use independent polling companies. Their verification is subjective, their editorializing is selective and they use whatever bias they can to sell their point.

When done completely anonymously though, you tend to get the real truth as people do feel they have no backlash to fear. This is the one thing that I would wish Brits would lose most - the passive aggressive side of life, just quietly going along saying that everything has nothing to do with us.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

I support JRM 100% of the way. I don't agree with him on anything to do with the EU, but I don't care one single bit. I am a Catholic and so is he ; he is opposed to abortion in all circumstances and would defend the faith any day - I hope he takes over the leadership of the party and becomes PM.

I am not sure I have this right but you are saying that you do not agree with Rees Mogg on the EU (and possibly other policies): policies that will shape and define the future, prosperity and welfare of the country, your children (if you have them), etc. You would, however, vote for him because of your shared belief system?

I find this strange to say the least ..

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope because I found the poll interesting in which the creator, a Remainer, asked a leading poll question and got responses she did not like, given she is now suggesting her poll has been hacked - polls don't get hacked, it gets re-tweeted around for better sample size. It now has over 14K votes and the results are still fairly similar to my screen grab from this morning.

You cannot possibly treat a Twitter poll as accurate and fact.

Anyone in the world can click and vote and may spam/bot accounts end up voting.

Also she said hijacked not hacked.