Post-Brexit Thread

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Investing in things like the health service rather than demanding it do more with less year on year, to make us all more productive

Looks like you wish will not come to pass:

No extra money for NHS, Theresa May tells health chief

You can strike one of the Brexit big lies off the list ...

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

I wonder if this weeks hysterical headlines about 'Remoaners' are the press getting their excuses in early. It's clear that nothing will be the fault of Brexit and all of it will be fault of Remain. Tanking sterling? Not because May said she would issue Article 50 in March and won't compromise on free movement. It's those Remoaners. Prices getting more expense? Nothing to do with the exchange rate for imports. It's the Remoaners.

I wish we had this omnipresent power before the vote.

Well on the upside, Damien, at least we know who the Express want to scapegoat if they can't scapegoat immigrants anymore.

Few are doing as much to undermine the UK as they are right now. Barrel thoroughly being scraped.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/721...ion-referendum

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Looks like you wish will not come to pass:

No extra money for NHS, Theresa May tells health chief

You can strike one of the Brexit big lies off the list ...

Yeah I'd read that, it's why I mentioned it first off. Even with the extra cash that the NHS is getting it's going to receive nowhere near enough to even keep pace with increases in demand.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You can strike one of the Brexit big lies off the list ...

We haven't left the European Union yet, and won't do for at least another 2.5 years, until then we keep paying into it.

So even if we were to spend some of the EU money on the NHS it Wouldn't see it for around 3 years from now. so it still has to sort itself out now.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Well on the upside, Damien, at least we know who the Express want to scapegoat if they can't scapegoat immigrants anymore.

Few are doing as much to undermine the UK as they are right now. Barrel thoroughly being scraped.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/721...ion-referendum

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Yeah I'd read that, it's why I mentioned it first off. Even with the extra cash that the NHS is getting it's going to receive nowhere near enough to even keep pace with increases in demand.

Well they could stop sending me appointment dates translated into every conceivable language for a start,paper costs and postage must be astronomical ,they know what language i speak and they know what ethnic group i belong to .A small saving i know but the point is from my experience the NHS is really inefficient.Don't forget as well that in a few years migrants will no longer the right live and work here so that alone should reduce the numbers the NHS is expected to treat

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We haven't left the European Union yet, and won't do for at least another 2.5 years, until then we keep paying into it.

So even if we were to spend some of the EU money on the NHS it Wouldn't see it for around 3 years from now. so it still has to sort itself out now.

leaving the EU before we have control back of our money is a little complicated for some to grasp but hey ho onwards and upwards .

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by martyh

Well they could stop sending me appointment dates translated into every conceivable language for a start,paper costs and postage must be astronomical ,they know what language i speak and they know what ethnic group i belong to .A small saving i know but the point is from my experience the NHS is really inefficient.Don't forget as well that in a few years migrants will no longer the right live and work here so that alone should reduce the numbers the NHS is expected to treat

Most of the growth in NHS requirements is due to an ageing population unfortunately, so even if we shut the doors right now it wouldn't make any difference to that the funding plans for the NHS for the rest of the Parliament are inadequate.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

We haven't left the European Union yet, and won't do for at least another 2.5 years, until then we keep paying into it.

So even if we were to spend some of the EU money on the NHS it Wouldn't see it for around 3 years from now. so it still has to sort itself out now.

Sadly at least initially the money won't be there. The funding plans for the NHS for the rest of the Parliament were based on growth figures that we're already undershooting and will undershoot further next year by all estimates.

There's also a ~£20 billion divorce payment that as of right now will be due on departure.

Presumably for those and other reasons the PM has been very clear that there are no plans for extra cash for the NHS for the duration of the Parliament over and above what's already been planned - which isn't enough.

EDIT: Note the 'divorce payment' isn't that high yet, however I'm working on the assumption that Sterling and the Euro will be at parity by the time it's due, which is obviously just an estimate based on past performance.

EDIT 2: Of course also noteworthy is that the £350 million a week figure was nonsense. The most recent figures, all in, are that it was about £125 million a week, still a non-trivial sum, and the loss of growth estimated alongside the fall in Sterling already seen wipes that out with interest on lost tax receipts and more expensive borrowing costs. Those borrowing costs are even with QE buying the gilts. When the BoE stops buying the government's debt this will rise further.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

Well they could stop sending me appointment dates translated into every conceivable language for a start,paper costs and postage must be astronomical ,they know what language i speak and they know what ethnic group i belong to .A small saving i know but the point is from my experience the NHS is really inefficient.Don't forget as well that in a few years migrants will no longer the right live and work here so that alone should reduce the numbers the NHS is expected to treat

Can't you request they email them to you?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Remoaners told to decide: Are you FOR Britain or AGAINST Britain?

“REMOANER" politicians and business leaders have been challenged to decide whether they are “for Britain or against Britain" and get behind Theresa May's Brexit negotiations

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...gainst-Britain

Shocking, hints of Germany in the 1930s.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Can't you request they email them to you?(

I've not heard of that facility but it would be a good thing ,the same for the letters that are sent to my doctors and me from the specialist ,i want a copy but it would be fine in email form and more convenient

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by martyh

I've not heard of that facility but it would be a good thing ,the same for the letters that are sent to my doctors and me from the specialist ,i want a copy but it would be fine in email form and more convenient

No harm in asking and suggesting they do it for other patients.

[Ignitionnet]

I think that was planned before they completely cocked up the NHS IT programme. My own GP surgery operates entirely electronically with me, doesn't seem onerous to expect hospital trusts to be able to do the same.

I suppose one major problem is confirming receipt of an email alongside those who refuse to use computers though the receipt problem isn't insurmountable. Supplying a one-time link to confirm the appointment isn't that big of a deal.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

EDIT: Just completed reading the article. If Theresa May et al are so desperate for a change they could try doing their bit with fiscal policy. Investing in things like the health service rather than demanding it do more with less year on year, to make us all more productive. Investing in infrastructure to make the UK more competitive.

I am absolutely sure the Prime Minister knows more about fiscal policy than you and can manage without your schoolboy solutions.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I note the three MPs the Telegraph mentioned criticising Carney were all vehement leavers. Their complaints are entirely because the output from the BoE disagrees with their dogma.

Or because they are democratic representatives representing the result of a domocratic vote to leave the EU. We are all leavers now.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Governance of the country right now is downright alarming.

In your opinion of course. I think the Government is doing fine. I wonder whether the majority of voters would agree with you or me?

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Given you're incapable of writing anything worth reading on this topic as a whole I think I'll save my time reading it.

Petulance appears to be your refuge when your embarrassing armchair critique fails to be revered in the manner you feel it deserves. Tut tut.

[Ignitionnet]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...an-to-exploit/

Who would've thought playing UKIP to the point where even a UKIP MEP thought you were going too far would have consequences?

I actually agree with papa smurf on something: given there isn't much to negotiate on let's get article 50 served. We won't need anywhere near the full two years, so can be an independent, fabulously wealthy nation with free trade agreements with the entire world on our own terms by this time next year.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...an-to-exploit/

Who would've thought playing UKIP to the point where even a UKIP MEP thought you were going too far would have consequences?

I actually agree with papa smurf on something: given there isn't much to negotiate on let's get article 50 served. We won't need anywhere near the full two years, so can be an independent, fabulously wealthy nation with free trade agreements with the entire world on our own terms by this time next year.

its very good of you to let me know what my opinion is .

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

its very good of you to let me know what my opinion is .

Keep your wits about you papa, he's grooming you .

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by Kursk

I am absolutely sure the Prime Minister knows more about fiscal policy than you and can manage without your schoolboy solutions.

I'm going out on a limb and say actually he does


And certainly more than boris Johnson