Coronavirus (OLD)

Originally Posted by Hugh

According to Wired magazine, development of the app is being handled by NHSX, who are working with VMware Pivotal Labs, developers from Zuhlke, the NHS Business Services Authority and the National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC).

I’m stunned the Project Team haven’t escalated the delays/risks/issues to the Programme Board before now.

Let's face it they probably did but were ignored.

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Early May:

Originally Posted by Damien

What's annoying is anyone who knows the basics of how iOS and Android operate where stating this from the start. Ministers seem to think sheer willpower or words at a press conference can overcome technical limitations. It doesn't matter how much we collectively believe in the Government, it won't work in the background.


This app is shaping up to be another disaster in the making and one which they'll claim, several weeks from now, couldn't be foreseen and they'll blame Apple and Google for not giving them the access they need. Much like the encryption debate political journalists won't understand the issue at a technical level and will present it in those terms.

I don't know why they continue to push down this path. If they want it work they need to adopt the APIs that work.

Anyway let's all come back to this in a few weeks when the debate moves to how could the Government possibly know the app had this flaw.

Today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53095336

At the Downing Street briefing, Health Secretary Matt Hancock suggested the original plan might have worked had it not been for Apple's restrictions on third-party apps' use of Bluetooth.

Utter joke these charlatans get away with it time and time again. Completely Shameless.

Why don’t we just base ours on the Italian App, which has been out for a couple of weeks, or the German App which has had 7 million downloads in one day?

https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/12/conta...app-downloads/

https://www.thelocal.de/20200617/new...ds-in-24-hours

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why don’t we just base ours on the Italian App, which has been out for a couple of weeks, or the German App which has had 7 million downloads in one day?

Probably because 70% of the population are unable to understand either German or Italian?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Define "works". Is there that much evidence that it does? They use all sorts of info, that the whiners say shouldn't be used.

How much use is an app that simply says that somebody with the virus was in the same building as you? Their main reliance was on questioning the people concerned.

Nomadking you are behaving like someone who believes the earth is flat, denying clear and observable fact.

I ask once more what's the threshold at which you will consider, even for a moment, that this Government has handled anything badly?

Originally Posted by Carth

Probably because 70% of the population are unable to understand either German or Italian?

Entschuldigen sie bitte,Ich nicht verstehen...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nomadking you are behaving like someone who believes the earth is flat, denying clear and observable fact.

I ask once more what's the threshold at which you will consider, even for a moment, that this Government has handled anything badly?

So the whiners haven't criticised the South Korean approach, or the MANY other countries that decided on a centralised system?
South Korea May 22nd

The system is still reliant on humans operating it to approve and upload data, which can lead to delays. And in some cases, concerns over privacy and security have led to access being so restricted that some local officials said they had to rely on old-fashioned methods. When another infected person - a 25-year-old man known as Incheon Patient 102 - told health authorities that he did not have a job, city officials said they went to the police because the information they wanted to check was not available in a timely manner on the EISS.
The phone’s location data showed he was a teacher at a private academy, where subsequent contact tracing and testing revealed at least 30 other people had been infected, including some of his students and their parents.

So it was the Police that provided the data, not their track and trace system.


Some of us do the research, which is how I can include so many quotes.

[jfman]

How many deaths Nomadking? How many before you accept it could have gone better?

Yes you research I commend you for that. Research obfuscation.

Would you prefer we found people with the virus or let them loose to cause havoc in economic and health terms?

[jfman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53099785

Comrade Sunak, and European counterparts, on point here. A welcome step.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Why don’t we just base ours on the Italian App, which has been out for a couple of weeks, or the German App which has had 7 million downloads in one day?

https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/12/conta...app-downloads/

https://www.thelocal.de/20200617/new...ds-in-24-hours

Jimmy Wale, founder of Wikipedia has said the very same thoughts:

If the NHS will support it, I could roll out the German Corona-Warn-App (privacy respecting, official diagnosis rather than self-reporting as I understand it) in short time at zero cost to the taxpayers.
If the government can't pull themselves together, we can.

https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/stat...40187163852801

[jonbxx]

In positive news (unless you are a mouse) a mouse model has been developed for COVID19. Mice naturally aren't a very good model as they don't develop symptoms so we can't be sure if treatments tried on mice are really reliable so Washington University have engineered a strain of mouse to get the disease.

This will really help with drug and vaccine research

Link - https://www.worldpharmanews.com/rese...drugs-vaccines

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

In positive news (unless you are a mouse) an mouse model has been developed for COVID19. Mice naturally aren't a very good model as they don't develop symptoms so we can't be sure if treatments tried on mice are really reliable so Washington University have engineered a strain of mouse to get the disease.

This will really help with drug and vaccine research

Link - https://www.worldpharmanews.com/rese...drugs-vaccines

Beware of the mice. I read somewhere that they run everything. They're just using the Earth as organic computer to work out to answer to the ultimate life, universe and everything question. Fact.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Beware of the mice. I read somewhere that they run everything. They're just using the Earth as organic computer to work out to answer to the ultimate life, universe and everything question. Fact.

Priceless!

[1andrew1]

Public debt has now exceeded GDP for the first time since 1963.* However, one think tank (IFS) says it's not a significant worry as the debt's purpose was for economic recovery.

UK public debt exceeds 100% of GDP for first time since 1963
Government borrowing surges to pay for measures to counter coronavirus impact on economy
In a set of public finance statistics that broke many records for the severity of the pandemic on government finances, gross central government debt — the money owed to the holders of gilts, national savings and creditors of Network Rail — exceeded £2tr for the first time ever in May. It rose £200bn over the past year to hit £2.009tr, according to the Office for National Statistics.T he figures showed the level of public borrowing to be on course to end the financial year about £300bn in the red, twice as bad as the worst year in the global financial crisis of 2008-09 and about 15 per cent of national income.

https://www.ft.com/content/57974640-...b-32f34825f13e

*For those of you interested, the Prime Ministers at the time were Sir Alec Douglas-Home (1963-1964) and Harold Macmillan (1957-1963) both Conservative.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Public debt has now exceeded GDP for the first time since 1963.* However, one think tank (IFS) says it's not a significant worry as the debt's purpose was for economic recovery.

https://www.ft.com/content/57974640-...b-32f34825f13e

*For those of you interested, the Prime Ministers at the time were Sir Alec Douglas-Home (1963-1964) and Harold Macmillan (1957-1963) both Conservative.

You do have to wonder where it all went...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Public debt has now exceeded GDP for the first time since 1963.* However, one think tank (IFS) says it's not a significant worry as the debt's purpose was for economic recovery.

https://www.ft.com/content/57974640-...b-32f34825f13e

*For those of you interested, the Prime Ministers at the time were Sir Alec Douglas-Home (1963-1964) and Harold Macmillan (1957-1963) both Conservative.

That last paragraph of yours, whilst true, is somewhat gratuitous, I feel. Singling out the Conservatives seems to me to be an expression of dislike of Conservatives worthy of Mr. K. In 1963, we had the coldest winter on record with massive industrial and commercial shut-down. Plus we were still paying off WW2 debt.

Please see the public debt chart linked below (which I can't make to display reliably).

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/s...ebt_As_Pct_GDP