U.S, UK and France Launch Missile Strikes in Syria

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Mick

Multiple Chemical weapon facilities targeted in Syria.

Excellent news

Bet Corbyn was straight on the phone to apologise to his mate Putin

Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity

February 1, 2018: The third chemical weapon attack in 2018 in Douma, Damascus is reported. The two earlier attacks were reported on January 13 and January 22. Reports assess that chlorine gas was used in all attacks. At a UN Security Council briefing on February 5, UN High Representative for Disarmament Affairs Izumi Nakamitsu stated that reports from the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission on these alleged attacks are pending.

This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity



This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

Good question.I wonder if we will ever get an answer in our lifetime?

[noel43]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It didn't happen, in the 90's an American democratic senator or congressman claimed we did it and the slur has stuck, he should have just kept it simple to how it wouldn't have been possible for Saddam to have gassed Iranians or Kurds without our help.

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Bad things like almost doubling the number of civilian deaths from air strikes

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...st-double-year

Guess that's different from gassing people although the effects are pretty much the same admittedly, they're still dead

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Thing about the Russians is they can take almost any level of deprivation and suffering, maybe not the crooks at the top who have raped the country but the ordinary people, sanctions won't bother them at all imo

Same in America lots of Deprivation, have you been of the tourist track or just been to orlando. Get out and see the real a.erm a, you would be surprised.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

So what should our response be maybe a Youtube video with theresa may with a stern face and wagging finger that'll sort it all out, evidence is mounting that it was an attack by assads forces it's not the first time they have done it and if there isn't a strong response it will not be the last. Nobody wants a wider conflict but fear of that should not stop us doing something and if it does we become a lot weaker and assad and putin will be emboldened is that what we want either.

How many people shouting for military action on this forum have done their bit for their country. Not many I would think. Willing to put others in danger but it not themselves.

[denphone]

Hugh and Sirius have been in the military if my memory serves me right Noel.

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Originally Posted by noel43

How many people shouting for military action on this forum have done their bit for their country. Not many I would think. Willing to put others in danger but it not themselves.

The thing is what ever ones views are on it will achieve diddly squat IMO.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from denphone:


The thing is what ever ones views are on it will achieve diddly squat IMO.

While there are two implacably opposed religious followers, Sunni and Shia, they'll be at each-others throats for the foreseeable future. To step in-between is to try and stop a dog fight: You'll get bitten.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity

This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none.

Why did we wait till now? More bullish advisers in Trump's regime? Macron now feeling more confident?

Who was involved in last year's bombings? A three-way effort should have more political impact than efforts from eg just one country.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

. . To step in-between is to try and stop a dog fight: You'll get bitten.

Yep, and boy do we like to get bitten.

We (and the Americans) are very good at involving ourselves in Political & Religious 'wars' that have been waged for hundreds of years. Most of the time these idealistic confrontations are ingrained in the very heart and culture of the people involved. You won't stop them unless you either wipe them out or manage to change their beliefs . . . good luck with the latter

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by noel43

How many people shouting for military action on this forum have done their bit for their country. Not many I would think. Willing to put others in danger but it not themselves.

I was in the military "13 years" and have been on operational tours. I have been in some dodgy positions during that time as well. My son spent 9 years in the military including tours in Afghanistan. So have you done your time in the military because if you have then you would know why military action is required and it the last resort but it has to be done ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity



This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none.

I wonder why the civilians never left these areas because rebel snipers were targeting them to force them to stay, classy, we've done the right thing not backing them imo and at least this strike might make Assad think twice before gassing again, guess it comes down to whether he thinks gassing is worth the price he's just paid.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/w...uta-syria.html

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

While there are two implacably opposed religious followers, Sunni and Shia, they'll be at each-others throats for the foreseeable future. To step in-between is to try and stop a dog fight: You'll get bitten.

Especially if you are encouraging them to fight or using them as pawns in a much bigger scheme, some might say you even deserve to get bit

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I have been in the military "13 years" and have done operational tours. I have been in some dodgy positions during that time as well. My son spent 9 years in the military including tours in Afghanistan. So did you do your time in the military because if you did then you would know why military action is required and it the last resort but it has to be done ?

Mi!itary action not required by us. All we are is the tail on the American dog. I did my time in Aden, NI, Falklands this type of action does no good to anyone. Most of the peop!e shouting for military action have never been in and do not have the guts to go in. The gov is crying out for recruits, don't see any of these volunteering.

[Carth]

I have never been in any of the armed forces, I missed National Service by a few years.
Not that I'm a coward or anything, but I'm the sort that if I had a weapon and some basket case was giving me grief . . . well it wouldn't end well

All respect to those who have served, but I'm afraid I'm not mentally capable of doing it in the way it needs to be done

[Mr K]

Our involvement always does seem to be token these days on account we don't have a much of a military any longer. Why us (and this incase the French) all the time, why should we always bear the risk and cost? Where's Germany , Italy, Spain, or any of the other 190 plus nations ? We are a small nation who still thinks it's a superpower, could come back to haunt us if, God forbid, there's ever another worldwide conflict.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by noel43

Mi!itary action not required by us. All we are is the tail on the American dog. I did my time in Aden, NI, Falklands this type of action does no good to anyone. Most of the peop!e shouting for military action have never been in and do not have the guts to go in. The gov is crying out for recruits, don't see any of these volunteering.

If i had my time again i would still serve. I do beleave the use of chemical weapons must be stopped and it is for the stronger countries to deal with it. Those involved in this attack on the scumbags using chemical weapons have my respect and i hope they stay safe. The scumbags can burn in hell for what they did.

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Our involvement always does seem to be token these days on account we don't have a much of a military any longer. Why us (and this incase the French) all the time, why should we always bear the risk and cost? Where's Germany , Italy, Spain, or any of the other 190 plus nations ? We are a small nation who still thinks it's a superpower, could come back to haunt us if, God forbid, there's ever another worldwide conflict.

I agree, we still think we are a superpower (jokes on us). Other nations not getting invo!ved have a sensible government. Do not have people in power that thinks America 'best thing since sliced bread'.

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Originally Posted by noel43

I agree, we still think we are a superpower (jokes on us). Other nations not getting invo!ved have a sensible government. Do not have people in power that thinks America 'best thing since sliced bread'.

We were a strong military power. We do not have a military strong enough to defend this country imo.