Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

So contrary to the remainers at CF claiming leavers are regretting their vote support for Brexit is hardening.

That poll has taken 2015 as a baseline. If you wanted to judge if people have changed since the vote (2016) you would need to take that as a baseline.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. There does seem to be quite little understanding of what no deal actually means. Carol Mortishead in today's Standard has a good attempt at clarifying some aspects of it.

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a3896096.html

I must congratulate you on your ability to find doom and gloom brexit story's, are you going for a world record attempt .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Wouldn't take much notice of selective polls from the Express. Most reliable polls are showing a shift against Brexit


https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/23...dum-two-years/

I don't understand, after they way they have been acting, why anyone would think that the EU is a great thing to be a part of.

The original idea of leaving the EU single market and CU and re-establishing a new relationship via a FTA should have been a simple thing to arrange.

Simple because all the rules, regulations and standards the EU require goods and services to meet, we already adhere to.

But the EU want to make sure that Brexit is not a success, they want to ensure we are shackled to their courts and institutions and most importantly they want to ensure that we still pay into their budgets. Which is why they are playing the political game they are.

For the record, I voted remain not because of any love of the EU but because, pragmatically, I knew that we would end up still shackled to the EU, I new we'd end up accepting their Rules and Regs and paying into their budget, but not being at the table as a member. So what was the point in leaving?

And it looks I have been proven right.

Personally, I would walk away. It would be an economic shock, we don't know how bad.. or good. But we would recover, and I bet an FTA would be sorted out very quickly when lots of European suppliers realised that their products just got a whole more expensive to one of their biggest markets, who could now go elsewhere for cheaper alternatives.

The EU are not strong. Trump just wacked on a load of high tariffs, threatened a trade war and what did they do? Well they tried to retaliate by putting tariffs on Harleys etc but then Trump just threatened putting tariffs on all EU cars and within a week or two Junkers was over there saying they'll scrap tariffs on a lots of goods.

Following his White House talks, and after his news conference with Mr Trump, Mr Juncker claimed a "major concession" from the US president was a promise not to increase tariffs on cars and auto parts during negotiations.

quote from Sky news.

You can say what you want about Trump, but he has a backbone and doesn't care who he upsets, but he got the result he wanted.

I would have thought we buy as many French, Spanish, Italian and especially German cars than the USA does.....................

I wish our leaders had any backbone

Originally Posted by Pierre

But the EU want to make sure that Brexit is not a success, they want to ensure we are shackled to their courts and institutions and most importantly they want to ensure that we still pay into their budgets. Which is why they are playing the political game they are.

They want that if we want to stay in the customs union or a variation of it and that was our suggestion. Their own suggestion, a Canada style deal, would not require it.

[jonbxx]

Good news for no deal fans where we simply fall back to WTO schedules - we have submitted our proposed tarifff schedule to the WTO a couple of days ago. https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/n..._24jul18_e.htm

If there are no objections in three months, they will be accepted. If there are, negotiations will start between member countries

EU has rejected May’s idea anyway. I guess it now depends if the Government want a FTA or attempt to delay the article 50 deadline to continue to try and get a bespoke one.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

The EU are not strong. Trump just wacked on a load of high tariffs, threatened a trade war and what did they do? Well they tried to retaliate by putting tariffs on Harleys etc but then Trump just threatened putting tariffs on all EU cars and within a week or two Junkers was over there saying they'll scrap tariffs on a lots of goods.

They said both sides would work towards scrapping tariffs. They really just paused the trade war. Although there are some suggestions they might use that as a basis to revisit the EU-US trade deal. The US and the EU are both pretty strong. The US is the biggest economy in the world (followed by the EU). We can’t throw our weight around in the same way.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Good news for no deal fans where we simply fall back to WTO schedules - we have submitted our proposed tarifff schedule to the WTO a couple of days ago. https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/n..._24jul18_e.htm

If there are no objections in three months, they will be accepted. If there are, negotiations will start between member countries

can tell us if it no deal which is very likely what only country in world will be will 0 trade deals how can anyone want this is unbelievable

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Dave42

can tell us if it no deal which is very likely what only country in world will be will 0 trade deals how can anyone want this is unbelievable

You need to get out of that remainer bubble ,think of the opportunities

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You need to get out of that remainer bubble ,think of the opportunities

aye falling of cliff edge is gonna be great NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT sheshhhhhhhhhhhh why you think we stock piling food medicine and blood for sheshhhhhhh

and see you avoided the question what be only country in world with 0 trade deals

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Dave42

aye falling of cliff edge is gonna be great NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT sheshhhhhhhhhhhh why you think we stock piling food medicine and blood for sheshhhhhhh

and see you avoided the question what be only country in world with 0 trade deals

We could get new customer discounts

Originally Posted by papa smurf

We could get new customer discounts

Probably our best hope...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

E The US is the biggest economy in the world (followed by the EU). We can’t throw our weight around in the same way.

Exactly. Size matters in trade negotiations but some seem to rank all countries equally like two players in a game of draughts.

[Mr K]

Saw a lot of unhappy punters queuing outside the Chunnel yesterday (for weather reasons). The Great British public had better get used to that, and it won't be weather related, however it's what they wanted !

That’s just typical fear mongering bullshit at it’s finest Mr K. People can still sail or fly, to Europe destinations, or go elsewhere in the world, there are far better places than Europe. They won’t suddenly stop Brits going there, that’s economic suicide for them.

It’s totally expected that Remainers that have never accepted the referendum result, will step up their scaremongering strategies, with bollocks about the need to stockpile food and medicine and demonstrate false narratives that are purely designed to cause panic.

Anybody would wonder how the hell we managed back prior to joining the bloc back in the 70s. We did just fine, then we made a catastrophic decision to join the union that has handicapped us as well as fleece us, for over 40 years, no bloody more!

Originally Posted by Mick

That’s just typical fear mongering bullshit at it’s finest Mr K. People can still sail or fly, to Europe destinations, or go elsewhere in the world, there are far better places than Europe. They won’t suddenly stop Brits going there, that’s economic suicide for them.

Which parts of Europe have you been too? There are some extraordinary cities and locations in Europe. There are great places in other parts of the world too but Europe is rich with top places to go, it's got some of the oldest civilizations there - at least Western ones. Munich Beer Halls, Norwegian fjords whilst drinking beer, Budapest food (and beer). Paris. Haven't actually been to Rome but I am sure that's cool.

The issue with the channel will be how all these structures work. I imagine we'll be able to go into Europe without a visa, I am not sure how customs checks will work or how the flight area works. We can get agreements for all of this but you're on the one advocating we don't do a deal.

Anybody would wonder how the hell we managed back prior to joining the bloc back in the 70s. We did just fine, then we made a catastrophic decision to join the union that has handicapped us as well as fleece us, for over 40 years, no bloody more!

Since then we've built up many ties and built infrastructure within how the EU works. I.E No customs checks, agreements on flights and tons of regulation. We're now talking about just stopping that suddenly. 40+ years worth of work is not easily dismantled and replaced in 2 years.