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Old 13-01-2021, 00:20   #2446
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Re: U.S Election 2020

Senator Mitch McConnell, has told associates he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party!
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There are also rumours of more to come out with it becoming clear 'in the comes days/weeks'.

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Old 13-01-2021, 08:43   #2448
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Far stretch that McConnell said any of this at all. Fake News. Like other political pundits have said. I believe it when I see it. Siding with Democrat scum, would be costly to Republicans in the longer term.

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During Brett Kavanaugh hearing protests on Capital Hill were hot tempered and Democrat talk at the time, sounded no different to how Trump spoke last week. In 2018, Democrat Vice President-elect, Harris, summarised the protests:

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“It can be summarized as no rules, no decorum, no respect. And what we will do is make our case to the American people because they will rise up. The American people are on our side.”
Surely this was incitement to insurrection by Dems during Kavanaugh hearings?

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“This is a failure of this body to do what it has always said it is about which is be deliberative,” said Harris, widely considered a potential 2020 Democratic presidential contender.
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The only "scum" I've seen has been rioting at the Capitol a few days ago.
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Far stretch that McConnell said any of this at all. Fake News. Like other political pundits have said. I believe it when I see it. Siding with Democrat scum, would be costly to Republicans in the longer term.

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During Brett Kavanaugh hearing protests on Capital Hill were hot tempered and Democrat talk at the time, sounded no different to how Trump spoke last week. In 2018, Democrat Vice President-elect, Harris, summarised the protests:


Surely this was incitement to insurrection by Dems during Kavanaugh hearings?
McConnell’s comments are reported in the NY Times. He’s well within his rights to demand a retraction or threaten a libel action - or even just issue a denial by press release - if their report does not in fact represent his views. I don’t think he will, because I think the NY Times is only publishing what it’s sure of.

Dick Cheney’s daughter, who is House GOP, will vote to impeach (as will several others). The NY Times believes 20 GOP senators would vote to convict Trump if he was impeached. Only 17 need do so to secure the 67% support required to convict.

The prize for moderate republicans appears to be the Senate’s ability to punish Trump by barring him from office. There are those who want to move on from Trump who believe the party will be unable to do so as long as he continues to threaten to run in 2024.

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YouTube becomes the latest to put the boot in to Trump:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55643774

His account is suspended for a minimum of 7 days for inciting violence contrary to their T&Cs.
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McConnellís comments are reported in the NY Times. Heís well within his rights to demand a retraction or threaten a libel action - or even just issue a denial by press release - if their report does not in fact represent his views. I donít think he will, because I think the NY Times is only publishing what itís sure of.
The Washington Post backed it up.

It's clearly McConnell 'letting it be known' without formally committing to it.
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The only "scum" I've seen has been rioting at the Capitol a few days ago.
I don't think it's accurate to call anyone scum. The armed insurgents clearly felt they had a case to do what they did. They were wrong and were misled by fake news perpetuated by Trump and his media mates.

Unfortunately, there seems to be an issue in identifying what is fake news and what isn't, but it doesn't make them scum.

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The Washington Post backed it up.

It's clearly McConnell 'letting it be known' without formally committing to it.
Absolutely.
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Old 13-01-2021, 11:26   #2453
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I don't think it's accurate to call anyone scum. The armed insurgents clearly felt they had a case to do what they did. They were wrong and were misled by fake news perpetuated by Trump and his media mates.

Unfortunately, there seems to be an issue in identifying what is fake news and what isn't, but it doesn't make them scum.

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There you go again, Andrew. Just as with Brexit, you're taking the other side's viewpoint. A thug is a thug, whether or not misled by Trump. And thugs are scum. Those invading the Capitol were largely scum - there might have been some weak minded individuals who might be described as "running dogs".

I note you didn't pull Mick up who called the Democrats "scum".
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I think the democrats are blinded by their hatred for donny, he'll be an open sore for the republican party that they should just allow to fester and rot
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There you go again, Andrew. Just as with Brexit, you're taking the other side's viewpoint. A thug is a thug, whether or not misled by Trump. And thugs are scum. Those invading the Capitol were largely scum - there might have been some weak minded individuals who might be described as "running dogs".

I note you didn't pull Mick up who called the Democrats "scum".
In some respects I agree with Seph here. Part of me would welcome trouble around the inauguration as the fools will only self incriminate on social media, running around massless then they can all be rounded up and imprisoned. That way wider society would be better off than have a poisonous underbelly spreading disinformation for the next 4 years only to have to face up to fascism anyway.
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There you go again, Andrew. Just as with Brexit, you're taking the other side's viewpoint. A thug is a thug, whether or not misled by Trump. And thugs are scum. Those invading the Capitol were largely scum - there might have been some weak minded individuals who might be described as "running dogs".

I note you didn't pull Mick up who called the Democrats "scum".
It's dehumanising to label any group scum whoever uses the label, be it you or Mick. My previous post said "call anyone" which covers Democrats and Republicans. When you start to dehumanise your opponents, you're on a slippery slope. "Dehumanization is one technique in incitement to genocide.[ It has also been used to justify war, judicial and extrajudicial killing, slavery, the confiscation of property, denial of suffrage and other rights, and to attack enemies or political opponents." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization

I have no issue in describing the armed insurgents as thugs.

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I think the democrats are blinded by their hatred for donny, he'll be an open sore for the republican party that they should just allow to fester and rot
Agreed. They should let the pro and anti Trump factions fight it out whilst they focus on recovering the country.
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It's dehumanising to label any group scum whoever uses the label, be it you or Mick. And when you start to dehumanise your opponents, you're on a slippery slope. "Dehumanization is one technique in incitement to genocide.[ It has also been used to justify war, judicial and extrajudicial killing, slavery, the confiscation of property, denial of suffrage and other rights, and to attack enemies or political opponents." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehumanization

I have no issue in describing the armed insurgents as thugs.
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You're way off beam there, Andrew.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Message to the Army Community from Army Chief of Staff, General James C. McConville, about recent events at the Capitol.

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